Will we ever see him? Bro. Freeman taught that no one can see the Father and probably never will. That is a position I agree with and there is some solid biblcal evidence to back that up.

John 1/18 "No one has seen the Father at any time"
Col. 1/15 "who is the image of the invisible God"
1Tim 6/16 "dwelling in light no man can approach unto; whom no man has seen or can see"
Ex. 33/20 "no man can see my face and live"

As I said I agree with that position but there are 2 vs that would seem to contradict it.

Dan. 7/13 "one like the son of man . . . came to the ancient of days"
Rev. 4/2-3,5/7 "and one sat upon the throne . . . I beheld a lamb . . he came . . . took the book . . . him who sat upon the throne

So in both situations, we see two personalities and in Rev. the HS is there as well. In any other passage I would see Jesus as being the ancient of days as well as sitting on the throne. So its a bit of a conundrum to me. I thought I'd post and see what you guys thought.

Just like old Gary to come in and throw us a curve!

I still don't think it's possible but you've brought a perspective that I've never considered!

Blessings,
William

Just like old Gary to come in and throw us a curve!

I still don't think it's possible but you've brought a perspective that I've never considered!

Blessings,
William

william wrote on Wed, 06 January 2021 00:03

Just like old Gary to come in and throw us a curve!

I still don't think it's possible but you've brought a perspective that I've never considered!

Blessings,
William

William,

I'm glad your at least considering the possibility. LOL

I have to at least consider myself if something is stated clearly in the scriptures contradicts what I have been taught. In Revelation 22 the last book of the Bible and the last chapter seems fairly clear to me. Unless the Greek is stating something entirely different that I am unaware of.

Lets look again and what the Word states:

22 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.


6 Then he said to me, "These words are faithful and true." And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.

In the Old Testament God always came down in a black cloud when His people offered the sacrifices and we know this is how He manifested His presence the glory of God was hidden in the cloud.

Jesus Christ offered His life to bring mankind back to God where their sins are cleansed by His shed Blood. He finished the work at Calvary that God would be appeased through this sacrifice.

It would seem strange to me that God would then allow men into heaven and would hide His face from them. We know in scripture that the angels behold the Face of the Father. We will be as little children
considering in the fact we will live for all of eternity.

Why would the Father hide His face from us in Heaven, Is there something still lacking in our relationship?

How can we honestly look at Revelation 4:4, where its states we will see His face it is clearly showing in the whole chapter that this is the Father and what will take place in the Kingdom of God?

It's hard for me to believe any more that HF had the final say so on God's Word and what will take place in the future of the Kingdom of God. We have to also consider that God is far greater then what we can ever imagine. How can we with our finite minds ever know all there is to know about the Lord?

Just stating facts here as I see them, not trying to come down on what anyone believes that could be different. But I will have to stick to Rev. 4:4 till I see something different in scripture.

In Him,
Gary

I don't know either, but I know we wont be disappointed whether we do or not.

No, HEF didn't have the final word on scripture any more than anyone of us does.

I hate that I don't get notifications when there's activity on the forum, I probably got something turned off that should be on...lol But I sure do get told by FB that the US election was correctly calculated.

That's why gambling is wrong, you'd lost your hard earned money(unless it was Bitcoins), I have a Dell. We do have a new Mac at the business center, I haven't even tried to turn it on.

I usually keep the crisper stocked with apples, close as I come. Lol

That Tennessee Ernie Ford stuff was great. I like some of the modern stuff but there sure is a place for old hymns. Especially with a nice male voice.

The reason it has always been a question to me is because of the vs in Rev. and Dan. It also occurs to me that the Father himself spoke several times in the NT. Some interesting thoughts here.

I've always thought they were angels, I don't remember a lot from teachings on Daniel by HEF, but reading the text today I'm thinking angels, with the specific task of watching. Now we know God knows all things and doesn't need an angel to tell Him what's happening on earth, but for some reason there were watchers with the assignment of watching (and reporting back???)

Since you like to bet (just kidding) I'll bet Mark or William has a more in depth answer, as least an opinion. Isn't it funny how we use certain phrases... My dad used to say , "I'll bet you a dollar to a donut."