Greetings all, First, thanks for all your answers & blessings. I thought I had better start a new topic as the last one travelled away a bit. This weekend, John Mellor is holding meetings in our town. I don't know much about him, but I just glanced at his website, http://www.johnmellor.org/. I am writing to ask for prayer for these meetings, please. Normally, I don't go to meetings, but I have family & friends going looking for healing, My friend's nine month-old grandson was born with very, very limited sight, That family are really seeking the Lord & standing on the Word & the Lord has brought them so much closer to Himself over the last few months. One family member is looking for deliverance from addictions, knowing she has failed over & over when looking to be set free. She is skin & bone. Another one who has trusted the Lord for healing for many years is going with the mindset either the Lord heals or she will seek other alternatives. It is quite a serious case. Another one is going but he is planning on leaving his bad marriage & going into another relationship. & there's more. So, my writing is to ask for prayer, that the Lord will meet these people who don't know how to get out of their messes. God bless, sincerely
Hello Sincerely, I went to John Mellor's website and did some reading. If I may, I suggest you go to the FAQS section and read the 'Questions about Healing' written by Peter Cavanna. He writes several things that are contrary to what The Word teaches about healing, #3 & #6 definately don't line up with the Bible. I don't know anything about the man either, but I caution you concerning who you allow to lay hands on you.(that's not saying anything against John Mellor, just good advise, be discerning.) Maybe The Lord will show mercy on your loved ones, and I'll be praying that He will, but going with the mindset of either He heals me or else(after trusting The Lord for many years) go to another source of healing doesn't line up with Bible and seems to be trying to 'force' God. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, if that's the case, forgive me...I'm not trying to be critical or tell you what to do, I just see problems with what they have posted on his website as not being scriptural. Praying over and over for healing(or anything else) is an indicator that the person wasn't in faith the first time(Mk.11:24),if that's the case then they should repent and pray in faith and settle it in their heart that God's promises are true and act upon it. It seems as though the encouragement to keep coming back for prayer and continuing to take medication is not Godly advise, if I understand him corectly, and what he wrote was pretty plain. Maybe that's all the light they have on it at this point in his ministry and God is honoring his faith and the faith of those seeking healing. Anyway I felt lead to share with you about being discerning and apply the wisdom God has given you in dealing with this situation. May He be merciful to your loved ones and deliver, set free, and heal them. I will be praying for you and yours, as will, I'm sure others here on OO. God bless, james
Thanks for your reply, James. I just finished reading the FAQS section, At least I have a bit more insight on where he stands. The examples I wrote are about desperate people at the end of their desire to go on struggling. I am very aware of crumbling going on in the faith of some of them. That is why I am asking for prayer, standing in the gap for people who are already making plans to let go because they feel they have no way out. One has struggled with pain most of her life & is planning on marrying soon. So, what only affected her where she was willing to go on walking by faith, now affects another person, who wants her to go to the medical system. Then we get into, should she be marrying this man. My main course of action can only be prayer. My main desire in life has been to see my family made whole & fulfilled in Jesus Christ. This has been my main prayer focus. You become identified with them, a bit like Moses & the Israelites. I didn't arrange for these people to go to the meetings. They are going looking for God to heal them, because others have testified of being healed in these meetings, so I am asking for prayer, that the Lord will meet these people who don't know how to get out of their messes. It is terribly hard to write clearly so that others know where we are coming from. I appreciate what you wrote, James, I don't think you misunderstood the mindsets of my family. My concern is more like if the Lord doesn't meet them, they are heading in the wrong direction. I believe the Lord told me, that there are four ways the enemy would bind us so that we are not free to be whom God made us to be, being, sickness, addictions, debt & unequal yoking to unbelievers. We are dealing with a lot of this, now. Clear as mud? God bless, sincerely
Yes, it's clearer to me now. I see that your family needs God to meet them where they are(just as we did when He mercifuly saved, healed and set us free when we might not have had all the 'light' on the deeper truths of God's Word and was in 'messes' of our own.) While we may at times have trouble communicating our thoughts and what's on our hearts, I had no trouble understanding that they need help. I just didn't know if you had any experience with this man's ministry and wanted to give you the information I'd read. I agree with you for God to show them mercy and heal, save, deliver, and whatever else is needed in their lives and will be praying accordingly. Looking forward to some good testimonies from 'down under'... They don't know how blessed they are to have a family member who's willing to stand in the gap for them... Acts 16:31 ...and thy house. james
Thanks for replying James. People sometimes say, "You are good to be so good to your family" etc etc. I helped a friend with her computer & it was beyond her to think someone would give up time to do that. I said to her it wasn't a chore & it truly wasn't. Going to the Nursing Home every Saturday for ten years wasn't a chore, nor an attempt to feel good. Ask me to sew a dress for someone & that's a different story, lol. When God puts His love in your heart for His people whether His chosen race, your family, friends, even enemies, it isn't a chore. We are just His representatives, the only way some people will ever see Jesus. Probably, the best thing I ever realized was that my righteousness is as filthy rags. If Christ reigns & rules in me, then that is LIFE. Got a ways to go, you know, but, you walk where you need Jesus every day for years & self doesn't get up like it used to. A man told me he prayed for me for ten years before my rock bottom, Jesus pick up, experience in 1980. Do you know how humbling that is to know he cared enough to be faithful all those years when he hardly knew me? By the way, I had some wonderful experiences at the Nursing Home. Wouldn't have missed them for quids. I was the more enriched from it all.
William is probably working, he stays pretty busy... but he keeps up on reading everything and posts when he can. I learned when I got older that my grandmother had believed God for my salvation all my life. What really was humbling was knowing that as a young person I always made fun of her, yet she didn't give up. I got to tell her I'd gotten saved and thank her just weeks before she passed on. btw: is a quid a squid missing a tentacle? Don't know much Assie lingo except what I picked up from 'Crocodile Dundee' and 'The Man from Snowy River'.
Hello Sincerely, I'm here! After catching up on all of the messages a couple of weeks ago I've been able to keep up on the latest ones. For some reason September - November seem to be the busiest time of the year for me. I had a big work project last year and another one this year but the next few weeks should be a little bit slower due to the holidays (I'll follow some of the retailers here and not mention "Christmas".) <grin> You and the persons you mentioned are in our prayers... and I'm looking forward to hearing more from you! Blessings, William
Thank God for Godly forebears. My brother has traced our family history to about the 16th century. It seems there has always been believers on my mothers side. Lot of mess, but a heart after God goes down the line. Blessing to a thousand generations. Thank God for that. I always say I knew God was real because my mother knew Him, She, also, had to know Him to survive. No wonder persecuted churches feel sorry for the western Christians. No wishy-washy walk in their situations. Praise God for your grandmother & my mum. "Quids" refers to the English pound, so, wouldn't miss for lots of money. Two bob was two shillings, our now twenty cents. Love colloquialism. I love Australia. Apart from Heaven, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The 1950's were almost perfect for a child to be growing up here. I would grieve for how we have ruined our Godly principles etc, until the Lord told me to rejoice because these things have to happen before His return. Now, I need to do some work. It is terribly dry here & heading for 38 degrees C again today. Never seen snow & hard to believe you are in your cold season. It is Wednesday morning here. I remember a lady from the US saying if Jesus comes back, could we tell them as we are ahead of you in time.
moulder wrote on Tue, 08 December 2009 17:23 You and the persons you mentioned are in our prayers... and I'm looking forward to hearing more from you! Thanks & Amen, brother William.
Hello Sincerely, Thank you for sharing about your family and their need to have God move in their lives. I will certainly keep you and your family in prayer and look forward to hearing how God is working in them. It is a blessing to know that in spite of circumstances everything is under control to our Heavenly Father. When I go through hard times I try to think of the verses in 2Corinthian 1 where it speaks of how Lord comforts us in all our tribulations, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we are comforted of God. I know I have been encouraged by your testimony of trusting God and praying for your family members. May God give you wisdom, discernment and the mind of Christ while you are at this conference with your family. And may their hearts be open to the truth of Gods Word. And as the Lord leads I would love to hear some of your testimonies from the nursing home. Some of our old people are wonderful examples and given half a chance they are more than willing to share their life experiences. And I must agree with James: your family is very blessed to have you praying and believing for them. It may be only in eternity that they fully see the blessing you are to them. God bless you with His peace and grace.
Hey Sincerely, Everyone I know who is standing in the gap, including myself, is believing for pretty extreme cases. If anything else, He has taught me to stay out of situations and let Him have His way. That is not to say you should not minister to people when He tells you to. I know when I "let go" my heart is at peace knowing He is in control. It isn't always easy and it does do a work in my heart. I will continue to hold you and yours in my prayers. Blessings, GWB
Good morning all from Australia, Thank you for your prayers & replies. Do I try to discuss what is being said, or do I just go on writing as if I am not thinking about your replies? The night before my husband died, the hospital sent a lady pastoral care worker to try to be of help. She was a Catholic & said to me, "Was he a good man? Then, he will go to Heaven." I told her our righteousness was as filthy rags & gave her the Gospel message. The next day they sent a Baptist lady into our room who misquoted the Word & told me to let go & put it all in God's Hands. I said I couldn't do that for I knew if he had died that moment he was lost. I believe there is a battle going on that the Lord expects us to take up the weapons He has provided & fight. Sometimes, it is prayer alone, standing on His promises. Sometimes, it is confronting in love. Whatever. After the Baptist lady had finished, a nurse who had lost her father a few months earlier took Des' hand & he squeezed it for salvation. I won't say what happened later as I don't want anyone else's opinion about the matter. I only know the Lord is faithful & His promises are Yes & Amen in Christ Jesus. I believe there was a battle going on over Des right to nearly the end. They were going to give him morphine. I said, "What for?" They said to ease his pain. I said he doesn't have any pain. They said to make him more comfortable. I said he wasn't uncomfortable. Should I have stayed out of the situation and let God have His way? I was watching my husband slipping into eternal damnation. Did I save him? No. The Lord battled through me knowing Victory was His. Was it a peaceful time for me? That was the hardest four months of my life, so stressful & yet I value that time beyond words. I shared almost every moment with my husband except the nights he was in hospital. I showered him because he told the nurses I would do it. I slept on the floor a few feet away from him so I could tell when he was going to try to get up etc. It's not about me, even though it might sound that way. God's love is fierce for His people. Was it because we had such a wonderful marriage & relationship? It was thirty-eight years of conflict, but he was my life & I was his. The day he died I felt a burden lift off my shoulders literally. I was no longer unequally-yoked to an unbeliever. It is important when we are set free not to open any door that would put us in bondage again. Every decision we make counts. They are either Life or death. My mind is flitting everywhere so I hope you can understand me. I mainly just tell my experiences. Love to all sincerely
sincerely wrote on Wed, 09 December 2009 15:54 Do I try to discuss what is being said, or do I just go on writing as if I am not thinking about your replies? My mind is flitting everywhere so I hope you can understand me. I mainly just tell my experiences. Sincerely, Not that I'm an expert on writting or forum etiquette, cause I'm not, I'd never written anything publicly until I joined this forum. But I just try to answer someone when they address me; make a comment when I have thoughts concerning what another person posts; and try keeping in mind that what I write is also being recorded by The Lord and I'll have to answer for every word(but since I'm aware that He already knows even my thoughts...); I try to share what He gives me to share from His Word. Many times I just try writting down what The Holy Spirit shows me when doing my daily Bible study or devotional. When I post scriptures and comments in the Coffee Break section on the Bulletin Board, I don't expect a reply, usually(but anyone is welcome to share what The Lord puts on their hearts there). It's just for encouragement and edification, something to think about during the day. There are times when several people are online at the same time(but not too often) and the dialogue becomes more like a chat. Some threads wind up being informational, with some rants, and some bring out more emotional responses. Some people have been members for years and never post, but they come in and read, there are quite a few readers(and that's great)... So just share what's on your heart and follow the leading of The Lord.(Usually one can tell if a response is called for...every statement doesn't require an answer) I believe that we can use this medium to minister to one another and to those who will read what is written in the future. While we're not an 'assembly/church', we are part of the Body of Christ and we can still exercise the gifts of The Spirit and experience Body Ministry.(this may be as close to church as some of us will get) I understand you just fine(and I think everyone else does as well), it's hard at times to write as fast as we're thinking. Sometimes I'll have something on my heart to share and before I can get it worded like I want and typed/pecked out, I lose my train of thought and scrap the whole thing.(I figure if it's from The Lord He'll help me with it, and when it's not, then it's not important anyway) You mentioned our cold season, some of us are getting blasted by snow storms in the northern states, while some of us(William and myself) are having temperatures in the 60's. But that will soon end even here in the deep south, winter is around the corner(and I'm already counting the days til summer). Those are my thoughts about writting, don't be concerned about being criticized and scrutinized, Elvis has left the building and there's just brothers and sisters in The Lord seeking to encourage one another... Lord bless, james
Dear GWB, In prayer time this morning, as I prayed for a friend, I came to think about what you & I wrote in OO. It is not always understood where another is coming from. My nephew thinks what will happen, will, because God is Sovereign. So, if your name is written in the Lamb's book of Life, you will be saved without man's input. My sister gives it all to God & goes on in life, same as usual, so I was writing with them in mind. When you are sitting for six hours watching your husband moving down levels closer to death, you can only be looking to the Lord, at the same time making each moment count in love to the husband. I am not writing about my loss or "poor me". I am trying to show where I was coming from re praying for family. I think you may have been coming at the subject from different experiences. Please forgive me if I seemed to be going against what you wrote.
G'day James, I think you do understand me. When I write, I think of a hundred ways I could put things & wander from what I really was trying to say. If I was speaking , it would be out there & done with. It is nice to see the OP's face, though. That way you can gauge if they understood you or if you have to elaborate further until they understand. Writing is quite time-consuming for me for this reason. Hope I can continue with the friendships here whether I write often or not.
Hey Sincerely, I am so glad to know you are strong in the Lord and the power of His might. Yes, I did go off on a different tangent than what you are saying you are going through. I am still getting use to forums. Sometimes, for me, it is hard to determine what people mean without being face to face. In light of all of this, keep sharing. I have been so very blessed by your testimony and your faith in Jesus. Oh yea....thanks for your patience when "I did not get it" as far as your story. Blessings, GWB
hi, before and after I read your post, the Lord was giving me a word of knowledge for you. It is not the will of God for Christians to give guidance to others for that would be taking the place of the Holy Spirit. so a word of knowledge comes by the Spirit and it is not personal guidence but is a help to those who hear it. Points to Jesus and his will. What I say to you is not me but came by the Holy Spirit. I believe he will confirm it to your heart since he sent it. In Psalms 1:1 it reads blessed are they who walk not in the council of the ungodly. Then he shows 2 Sam.5:18-25 David enquires of the Lord when the Philistines are attacking. Should we go up? Yes go. Then in v.22 Philistines attack again. David could have figured probably so since we won last time. But no he didn't presume but enquired of the Lord again. God reveals no don't go. He instructs a new direction and includes the winds blowing through the mulberry trees. Each new crisis is deal with by enquire of the Lord. 2 Chron. 16:9 part of verse-- the Lord shows himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward him. w/ Hosea 5:15 part of verse-- till they acknowledge their offence and seek my face. in their affliction they will seek me early. pride or independance from God will get his people in trouble. They need a child like spirit that seeks his council. God waits to be gracious to his people and desires that they come to him for council not the ungodly. Why is this so important?? because the devil waits to find opportunity to trap God's people by hasty decisions, the encouragement here is that nothing is to big or small to God and he values us coming to him to make decisions and get advice. You may not at the moment realise the danger you are in and that's why we who care for the sheep as watchmen are given the gifts of the Spirit to be a help. The lesson always enquire of the Lord yourself and seek his precious face for he cares for you more than anyone else. read Ps.31:1 ,22 then the whole ch.31 God bless in Jesus.
Dear brodav9. Could you please explain the word of knowledge, as I don't really know what it means. What is the Lord saying to me, in other words? I understood "You may not at the moment realise the danger you are in" but not what the warning is. God bless
Hi Sincerely, Have been thinking of you and wondering how the conference was. Did you get a chance to go with your family? If so, did they enjoy it? Did you? Been a long time since I have been to a conference. How was the worship. At the seminars we had in Indianapolis, Indiana the worship was heavenly. Have you checked out the music section of this site? There is some wonderful praise music. Some are specials that were from the seminar, some from Faith Assembly and some are specials that people shared. If you want to get blessed download them and listen, they are a blessing from the Lord.
Good morning Sage, I did go to two meetings of the conference. As I wrote, my family & friends were going looking to the Lord for release, answers, healing, guidance, to get out of their messes; struggling, hurting people, not seeming to get anywhere, not understanding why the Lord doesn't seem to hear them. I do believe the man has a Gift of healing. Some were prayed for & their pain left. As for my family, one was prayed for & I am yet to hear whether the Lord has healed her in any way. As for my thoughts, most of the teaching I heard was founded on the Word. Would I suggest anyone attend these meetings? no. Did I enjoy it? no. How was the worship? I got out of it what I put in. It is a struggling little church with a handful of members. They do the best they can. Should I have gone? Possibly not, but I care enough about my family to show them I am standing with them, ever looking for the Lord to turn their lives around. Thank you to all who prayed. I solidly believe release & restoration is the Lord's will, so will continue to thank Him for it till I see it. I have looked at some of the music. I own two Steve hill tapes which have blessed us for many years. I loved a Tom Hamilton tape where they sang Obey my voice & I will be your God & I worship you, Almighty God which followed with Thou art worthy. Anyone have that tape? I was listening to a sermon by Carter Conlon & they sang "I Love You Jesus" at the end. I googled it & found it here - http://www.hissheep.org/extras/real_music_listing.html I just love it, love the church singing it, too. As for "O come all ye faithful" it was a hymn, not just for xmas. Can't beat the chorus for worshipping the Lord.
back to you, word of knowledge is a gift which allows us to tell the will of God. We are not allowed to give personal guidance example tell some one God shows me you should move to another place. The Lord is doing many good things for us. He may have someone see that a brethren are going to fly a plane that will crash. He has them intercede that they won't catch that plane. It is more dangerous than you know to go to the wrong meetings. Some people I knew have died from going to certain meetings. I was told one time in my early years not having enough teaching to get out of a meeting right now. I told my wife she said I know it I feel the same thing. I have seen people get hurt and carried out in a ambulance from certain meetings. Under a HF ministry it was told that a child was watching a medicine commercial, a demon came out and was trying to choke her to death. Many may not remember this. We must be under the blood wherever we go. To help you, what if you appear endorcing a ministry by going and the family member goes just because of that and embraces a humongus heresy. You then would try to get them out and they say no. You will feel bad then because you helped them in the wrong direction. Many preachers on the TV believe that Jesus Christ went to the cross as a sinner. That he became literally sin on the cross. God is revealing through the word of knowledge that it is dangerous to go anywhere without his leading. I can see by discernment that you are being made confused, The key is to pray and trust the Lord to lead your family, Independence is dangerous, God is looking for your safety. Some are atracted to ministers who preach principles of prosperity. Tithing is a law of the Mosaic. it was a command-- did you know that in Gal.3:10 it says whosoever is under the law is under the curse. That means that when they teach faith it is not working in their life because they are under the curse. they are just teaching a principle to get you to give to their ministry. I fyou support them you are a partaker of their sins. See how we can get in trouble so easy.
Dear Brodav9, Thank you for your reply. I know what a word of knowledge is. I was asking you to make clearer what you were saying. I now understand where you were coming from & I thank you for being faithful to share. I see where it may have looked to others that I was endorsing this ministry, but family & friends were going regardless of me. I don't enter a hotel in case I am a stumbling block to others, so I see what you mean. I don't think I was confused, maybe caring over-rode carefulness to be sure of God's will before I went. I can't even buy a dog to replace mine who died a few weeks ago. I don't know what will happen in the near future re staying or leaving my home. It is a matter of waiting till I hear, so I do know what you mean. I believe it is crucial we are in the right place at the right time in this season. God bless.
I have a question Dave, did you deliver the word of knowledge when The Lord told you to(as far as timing goes)? Because why would The Lord send a word to warn her after she'd already gone to the meeting? Is it a warning concerning the future, that she shouldn't continue to do it? We know God puts 'gifts' in the church as He wills for our good and that a word of knowledge is certainly biblical, but like you used as an example about the plane crash, it wouldn't be of much use if the person given the word of knowledge didn't give the warning until after the plane had crashed. Just wondering, as I imagine others are as well...
Just a little background. My best friend & prayer-partner was the Pastor's wife from this church we went to at the weekend. It was never my church, but I knew the people. Some of my family go there. She left my town a few years ago as the Lord wanted them to sow time into their family. She died last 3rd April. Over fourteen years ago, Bev was in a car accident where she had hurt her lower back (two crushed vertebrate). While examining her, the dr found a lump, which was breast cancer. They found it was malignant. The dr's wanted to do radical surgery, with chemo & radiation. Bev was lying in bed. The TV her sons had put in the room was on & the news was about the Bosnian war. While praying to decide what to do, she felt God speak to her heart. If she was over there in Bosnia, what would she do. She answered, "Well, I would have to trust You, Lord," & that is what she did. Without treatment, she only had a few months to live. With treatment, a few years. Bev didn't even tell me she had cancer till near the end. She would just say she trusts the Lord for her healing like I do. Instead of a few months, the Lord gave her fourteen years.
brodav9 wrote: > hi, before and after I read your post, the Lord was giving me a word of knowledge for you. It is not the will of God for Christians to give guidance to others for that would be taking the place of the Holy Spirit. so a word of knowledge comes by the Spirit and it is not personal guidence but is a help to those who hear it. Points to Jesus and his will. What I say to you is not me but came by the Holy Spirit. I believe he will confirm it to your heart since he sent it. In Psalms 1:1 it reads blessed are they who walk not in the council of the ungodly. Then he shows 2 Sam.5:18-25 David enquires of the Lord when the Philistines are attacking. Should we go up? Yes go. Then in v.22 Philistines attack again. David could have figured probably so since we won last time. But no he didn't presume but enquired of the Lord again. God reveals no don't go. He instructs a new direction and includes the winds blowing through the mulberry trees. Each new crisis is deal with by enquire of the Lord. 2 Chron. 16:9 part of verse-- the Lord shows himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward him. w/ Hosea 5:15 part of verse-- till they acknowledge their offence and seek my face. in their affliction they will seek me early. pride or independance from God will get his people in trouble. They need a child like spirit that seeks his council. God waits to be gracious to his people and desires that they come to him for council not the ungodly. Why is this so important?? because the devil waits to find opportunity to trap God's people by hasty decisions, the encouragement here is that nothing is to big or small to God and he values us coming to him to make decisions and get advice. You may not at the moment realise the danger you are in and that's why we who care for the sheep as watchmen are given the gifts of the Spirit to be a help. The lesson always enquire of the Lord yourself and seek his precious face for he cares for you more than anyone else. read Ps.31:1 ,22 then the whole ch.31 God bless in Jesus. > -- > faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal. > I read and re-read this and I don't see a "word of knowledge". You gave a couple of scriptures and then an exhortation/lesson but I can't see the "word of knowledge", Could you elaborate? Blessings, William .
praise the Lord, I think it is two things, but I appreciate your question. The word came to me this morning. So I believe he is instructing her concerning the future. Also it is a teaching needed being she asks questions, this must give indication that the Lord sees her needing to seek him**** first about things. I checked the Conlon thing and he is not taking a stand but straddles the fence on tithing. The example of the plane crash is where a person gets a word of knowledge, but not to tell someone but to intercede in the Spirit. My apologies for any unclearness. To be honest I fit in the Moses category I often have the word but am terrible sometimes in speech. To be clear I don't think I'm Moses. Thank you for your help Aaron oops I mean James. Unfortunately someone would think I'm being ugly, I was just being humorous. God bless, and may God by his grace lead us and enable us to do his will. I appreciate you all love.
Hello Sincerely, You say you listened to a Carter Conlon sermon, so I was wondering if you listen to Times Square Church in New York City? They now have their Sunday morning service live on the internet. It starts at 10:00 our time, so I am thinking that must be about 1:00AM your time. It is their whole church service so you see their worship and sermon time. Do you also listen to Dave Wilkerson from Times Square Church? Have you ever read The Cross and the Switchblade by Dave Wilkerson? Brother Wilkerson was the founding pastor of Times Square Church. Brother Wilkerson is truly a watchman in these end days. "As for "O come all ye faithful" it was a hymn, not just for xmas. Can't beat the chorus for worshipping the Lord." I sure do agree with that, I love the chorus. God is faithful to save and deliver our families. It is a priviledge for God to have chosen us to believe for our families. Just think of the rejoicing in heaven there will be when we are all re-united with our friends and families that have gone on before us. I know I look forward to seeing my dad again, and some of my friends and other relatives. It will truly be a glorious day when all tears are wiped away and we will have joy for eternity.
Dave, Nah, we don't think you're being ugly and humor is needful at times. I just didn't understand what you were saying and I figured if I, having known you at one time, couldn't understand what you were trying to say, then others were probably struggling with it as well. And since any time someone says The Lord is using them to instruct, teach, correct, prophecy, or give a word from God; then we need to be extra dilligent to make sure it is understood. Cause we know that God is not the author of confusion, and there's no point in giving something if no one understands it... I'm sure you agree. james
Quote: God is revealing through the word of knowledge that it is dangerous to go anywhere without his leading. I should have continued to read and I would have seen the quote above. I'm still not clear as to how it fits together as a word of knowledge. To me a word of knowledge is first of all direct and specific, secondly it concerns a present reality. For instance God could reveal how much change you have in your pocket (I don't mean to trivialize the word of knowledge, it could be any revelation however serious or small). This revelation isn't about what you need to do to get change, or how much change you had yesterday, but it is a revelation about a present reality--you have 7 cents in your pocket! The word of knowledge has many uses and purposes in its operation. It is useful in determining whether or not a person is lying for instance... e.g. "This man is lying to you RIGHT NOW". It is useful in grabbing a person's attention when God wants to say something to that person. But as far as I understand it always concerns a present reality not a future event (that would be the "word of wisdom"). The word of knowledge --"You've got seven cents in your pocket" would seem to be the type of knowledge given in order to grab someone's attention, or give credence to some other "word" that might follow. I suppose it could be given to serve some other private purpose... like this man needs money --GIVE HIM TWENTY BUCKS! But generally speaking it would seem that the "word of knowledge" given would be the "word of knowledge" shared. It doesn't make too much sense (to my limited understanding) to say "I've got a "word of knowledge about your situation and I'm not going to reveal what it is but because I have a word of knowledge listen to this exhortation". Exhortation is also a gift. It can stand or fall on its own merits; it doesn't need extra support like "hey, I am an apostle", "listen to this message from Psalm 91". Just give the message from Psalm 91... whether or not you are an apostle is irrelevant. I've heard people say -- "I could prophesy this" and then proceed to give a teaching or exhortation. Why? If you have a prophecy, give it. If you have a teaching, give it. We don't need to add stuff to "seem" more credible unless the added material is relevant. This is an exhortation for us all. (I don't have a dream or vision to give it "extra weight".) Blessings, William
Sorry for causing problems, William. I think that is why I gave up writing last time.
Hey Sincerely, Whoooeee.......Hold on there Nellie! What has transpired is just a healthy discernment, questioning, and being held accountable discussion. I think everyone delivered the goods quite well...and I am sure will continue to do so. You have been very valuable to me with what you have shared...where ya goin' now when it is just gettin' good? Hang in there. We all care. We all have different personalities. We all have different ways of delivering what we are trying to say. Most importantly, we all realize that we are all learning how to care for each other regardless of opinions and how we are trying to learn how to bring it forth in cyber space. I have a lot to learn from you. Don't rob us by getting off of the horse now! Ummmm....or at least I hope that is not what you were suggesting. Blessings, GWB
Hey, you aren't causing any problems, you never have. But even if you did cause a problem (AND YOU DID NOT), why would that keep you from writing? None of us have any right to expect a life free from problems. Here is a problem that we all better learn how to solve... having "problems" with our brothers and sisters. This leads us to J U M P to an unwarranted conclusion --i.e. they really were not, or are not, "brothers" and "sisters". Some problems: Brother so and so's wife wears pants... conclusion: They never really were serious about the word of God. Brother so and so and his wife went to her families christmas party... conclusion: They are backslidden (there was something weird about his eyes, did you ever notice that?) Brother so and so uses reading glasses when he is studying. conclusion: He has no faith; certainly not an overcomer. Brother so and so puts entertainment centers (TV's) in the motor homes his company sells. conclusion: That is just ethically wrong. Sister so and so has long straps on her purse. conclusion: Prostitute. I only exaggerate the last one (but not by much!)... I've heard each one of these things, and many more besides, out of the mouths of my brothers and sisters... should I conclude that they are the ones who are not saved or should I stand up against such foolishness and pray that their eyes will be opened? Blessings to you! William
To all my brethren. I have had on my heart the scripture ( when the enemy comes in like a flood the Lord will raise a standard against him.) The Holy Spirit is wonderful and he has helped me to see the answer. I asked the Lord about it and was caused to see where things went wrong. After he had revealed to me what I shared ,then I read the posts. So I had no idea why God gave me the word for someone. I saw prayer was needed, and read all about sincerely. in #6418 it is where I saw this quote--when you and your family go to the meetings. -- I thought that the word I had was for sincerely. I found out that what I missed seeing was that God was using me to answer the prayers for sincerely. That God would give wisdom for her family. The wisdom came to me before I had known about sincerely. In a way it is for her, but it is something to give to her family. That they may be delivered from the dangers of going to future meetings which can be harmful. I praise God for his wonderfulness and pray sincerely will understand that God is watching over the prayers for her and her loved ones. I can see the enemy is disturbed ,and will use anything to pull God's praying people apart. My prayers are with you all. sincerely brodav9.
"(there was something weird about his eyes, did you ever notice that?)" Their eyes were probably "glazed over." (Warsaw Newspaper in speaking about the meetings) GWB
Greetings in Jesus' Name, Thank you for your replies. What I meant by causing problems is that when I write people have "healthy discernments, questionings, and being held accountable discussions". Maybe that is what forums are all about, but I suppose I thought the Introductions & General section was for sharing. You see, I have lived with fighting for many years & the attacks didn't make me a better person. The Lord refined me through it all, but, in itself, it was a negative. If someone stumbled (led by the Lord) upon this website, whether it be the fallen, the lost, the hurt, the rejected, the antagonistic, would they be drawn to Jesus & say, "I want what they have"? I want to be part of cementing not dissecting. Yes, I believe there is a place for correcting etc. or making sure you know where the person is coming from, but not looking for a fault in each other's sharing. People don't want it to be artificial, either, no false niceties, human praise, being built up in the flesh. They can see through that. I was hoping for a place to build each other up in the Spirit. God bless
A word of encouragement to all of us... Sincerely wrote: "Sorry for causing problems, William. I think that is why I gave up writing last time." brodav9 wrote: "I can see the enemy is disturbed, and will use anything to pull God's praying people apart." OK, we know that the enemy is always disturbed anytime God is working in a group of people(whether it be in a corporate setting or individually), just because he's 'disturbed' doesn't mean we should roll over and allow him access to reek havoc. He has already been defeated and the only power over us he has is what we 'give' him. And yes, he will use anything to pull us apart; he'll use our over sensitivity(allowing our feelings to be easily hurt or offended by what someone else says or writes or what we perceive they've said). We've all probably been guilty of this(I know I have)but what The Lord has reminded me more than once is, if I'm totally focused on following Him and daily seeking to submit to the death of the cross, these kind of things won't bother me. We've experienced division before and part of the way he pulled it off was basically, people misunderstanding each other and becoming offended. We should be sensitive to the voice of God and the leading of The Holy Spirit, but we must have thick skins in interacting with others. I believe The Lord has blessed us with this forum and lead us here for a purpose(maybe everyone doesn't agree and views it differently than I, that's OK...But if you believe God directs your path, then......why are you here?) I KNOW The Lord has ministered to me by the encouragement and fellowship of fellow believers. So the encouragement I want to share is this, let's all endeavor to keep the unity of The Spirit in the bond of peace, forbearing one another in love.(Eph.4:2-3) Speaking(writing) that which edifies and always giving each other the benefit of the doubt. And if The Lord puts something on our heart to share with everyone, let's ask for wisdom and understanding to write it so all can understand.(and even when someone doesn't 'come across' as understandable, ask for an explaination with a meek spirit, remembering our own selves could be in the same situation sometimes.) ***Sincerely, I had written this before I saw your last post, please don't allow ANYONE to cause you to become discouraged...I apologize for anything we(I) might have said or written that was hurtful to you. I am aware (now) more of what you've gone through lately and the need for Christian love and fellowship. My pointing out of things I'd read on the man's website was out of concern, but looking back knowing what I know now, I would not have said anything...The whole purpose of this post is the desire in my heart to see people drawn together in Christ and share with one another and encourage. Don't give up, we need you and I believe you need us. Lord bless, james
G'day James, Thanks for writing. I am not discouraged, never was. I just don't see the value of not edifying. It was good you read the website more than I did & pointed out what I hadn't seen. What I have gone through lately isn't that much harder than my whole life, so please don't think I am writing from hurt. The very things I have gone through have only caused me to have to have a relationship with the Lord. Your purpose (the desire in my heart to see people drawn together in Christ and share with one another and encourage) is probably the desire in each of our hearts. I just don't see the church got anywhere from correcting all the time & don't want to go down that path myself. I vaguely remember being told a story back in the eighties. The Lord met with a publican & he was saved. He said something like I have to change my ways & all the Christians thought, of course; God would be telling him to get out of his business, but he said God told him he had to stop watering down his beer. We all start somewhere & it's not in the same places. If the Lord had told me in the beginning I would have to go through certain things, I would have thrown in the towel then & there. Some are babes, some are toddlers & some think they are overcomers.
sincerely wrote on Mon, 14 December 2009 16:25 We all start somewhere & it's not in the same places. If the Lord had told me in the beginning I would have to go through certain things, I would have thrown in the towel then & there. Some are babes, some are toddlers & some think they are overcomers. true...
Dear sincerely I can see that you and James read part of my message. I would appreciate if you would read it again. I know that we all are dealing with personality now. first I want you to know that perhaps in this situation we all can become better brethren. our hearts are being exposed and to the world that's not good. But to us it is wonderful because if you notice this conflict which was meant for evil, God meant it for good. Because it is drawing us together more than apart. I feel that out of love for each other we can adjust to any thing that we can in order to serve each other better. If I were in the flesh I might be pulled back-- but I am walking in the Spirit. As you all comunicate God is showing me deeper wisdom than you can imagine. In all honesty the less information I gave you, was brought out in my message. God was speaking to you but not for you but your family. If James didn't enquire I wouldn't have given the extra info. you needed. the number is--Mon. Dec.14 I didn't see a number that message was under brodav. I am not offended at brother in this situation. I gracefully ask that he be gentle as he can be for God's precious sheep. And also that he continue to protect sheep also. May God's grace keep us in the unity in the bond of peace as we have so many wonderful things waiting for us in the distant horizon of grace. The things God is getting ready to do are so wonderful and as we walk in the resurection life of the Lord Jesus, we are going to see the things of this world grow very dim. I am seeing some of that right now. press on to walk in the next dimension of the Spirit and hold on tight for the ride of your life. in Jesus love amen.
Dear brodav9, I did read your messages. You see, I don't have any position to tell my family not to go to that church or to any meeting. Could I warn them not to go? Only if the Lord told 'me' to & then I would have to have a reason to tell them why the Lord didn't want them there. I can't take authority I don't have. How about a new topic. As I said, I am sorry for causing problems. God bless
"If someone stumbled (led by the Lord) upon this website, whether it be the fallen, the lost, the hurt, the rejected, the antagonistic, would they be drawn to Jesus & say, "I want what they have"? I want to be part of cementing not dissecting. Yes, I believe there is a place for correcting etc. or making sure you know where the person is coming from, but not looking for a fault in each other's sharing. People don't want it to be artificial, either, no false niceties, human praise, being built up in the flesh. They can see through that. I was hoping for a place to build each other up in the Spirit." Sincerely, I believe you have found a place where we can build each other up. I know I have. We have made mistakes in what we say and how we say things sometimes, but I believe our heart is right before God, to encourage, warn, admonish, and even rebuke as the Lord leads. I know in my personal life I have been known to not have the most tact with people, but when others get to know me they see that I never mean anything in a mean critical way. Quite the contrary, because I have lived with criticism from some family members my whole life, and I hate it. Our desire is to not mock and make fun of others, but rather to encourage each other as we see the day of the Lord approaching. Most, if not all of us have had friends and family compromise or leave what they once believed, so we may get somewhat fervent at times. But as I see with some of my friends when I have had them say things, it is only because they care. As with any new friendship we need to give each other room to grow, and have room to grow. We need to learn about each other, and lets share with each other what we believe God wants us to, but not try to force our beliefs on others. Please don't give up on us, but rather bear with us as we learn to fellowship on this site, and all of us be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. As you said, let's move on. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and not just leaving. It is a help to all of us.
Greetings all, I don't want to open another topic with this, but I feel I need to explain why I wrote, ''some think they are overcomers" & not just "some are overcomers". Back in the eighties, people called themselves overcomers & I couldn't see this was possible to know. To me, I felt we could aim towards the goal of overcoming but how could we know we had reached that status. I can follow all the do's & don'ts, live the life, walk the walk, talk the talk & still not be an overcomer. God sees our hearts, knows our motives, attitudes, thoughts etc & they just mightn't be as overcoming as we thought. To me, if overcoming is our greatest desire, we will get much closer to the mark, than if we set our goal anything less. My brother used to say he didn't want a mansion, just a little hut on the outskirts of Heaven, thinking it was pride to want great things. He died alone in his little house on my birthday almost four years ago. I did not see the release I so longed for, but I trust the Lord all is well. Another example of finding it hard to know where someone is coming from when we share. Hope I don't open another healthy discussion. lol.
Good morning Sincerely, Glad to hear from ya, although it's night here, best I can figure it's Thursday morning down under... Overcomer, yep there's a word that means different things to different people. I think the 80's proclamation was 'supposed' to be our 'confession', and where many of us(I) went wrong was when we allowed pride to get in.(part of the elitism mentality that was prevalent among quite a few in the faith camp>) I've know someone who has said he HATED the term, overcomer...but I think upon reflection they probably didn't really mean that, I think he just meant he hated the additude of pride that usually accompanied it. We are aware of all the wonderful promises made to those who DO, OVERCOME...but like you said, that will be up to God to say who is and who isn't. But we're also told that those who are born of God overcometh the world. Plus hindsight is 20/20, with maturity(didn't say, I've arrived) we now know(those who did allow that additude in) that an 'overcomer' as described throughout The Word is a humble person. Some folks 'fruit of the spirit' took longer to ripen than others. But I do want to be an overcomer... You know, in Revelation when Jesus gave the seven churches correction and encouragement and told of the rewards waiting for those who DID overcome; he also stressed to listen and be dilligent to take heed to what He was saying...that's how we overcome, by obeying. Notice that even though most had done 'good' things, and obeyed in several areas, He expected total obedience and demanded repentance in the areas where they had been lacking.(lukewarmness; leaving our first love; allowing false doctrine; having women pastors<opps, I mean allowing Jezebel, a false prophetess, to teach and seduce>; works not perfect.) "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Rev.3:22 'Some are babes, some are toddlers, and some think they are overcomers...' And some backslid and had to seek repentance and learn humility... and still are.......learning Thank You JESUS james
james wrote on Wed, 16 December 2009 19:04 But I do want to be an overcomer... Reckon that's what all OO's members have in our hearts. Been my desire for nearly thirty years. G'day James & all, It is noon, Thursday here. Nice hot, sunny day after a few days of cloudy weather. I heard a story about two Pastors talking about a young preacher. One said he was going great guns & the other replied but he hasn't got a limp yet. There is great value in being humbled isn't there.
"But I do want to be an overcomer..." Me too James. Like you said that means different things to different people. I looked up overcome in the dictionary and it said: to get the better of, overpower, overwhelm, to gain superiority: win, conquer. Strongs concordance uses words like: conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory, conquest. Jesus tells us in John 16:33 He has overcome the world. Romans 12:21 tells us to overcome evil with good. I John 5:4 Says whoever is born of God overcometh the world: These are just a few scriptures, but there is so much more we are called to overcome, such as when people lie and slander us, or gossip about us, or twist our words, or speak evil of us, or falsely accuse us. We are to overcome the flesh and the lusts of the flesh. It is just too easy to give in to the flesh and then make excuses why it is okay. "God understands..." Of course God understands, He understands that we have been given the Holy Spirit to help us overcome in all situations. We have the name of Jesus to resist the devil and the devil must flee. We of course would like that to be instantaneous, but that is not always the case. Sometimes we need to fight and believe for our deliverance or answer to prayer. But in the end, after our faith has been tested we see the Lord faithful to fulfil His promises to us. There are some who struggle with overcoming in their speech. They think being sarcastic and witty is christlike, when in fact they only give in to the flesh and or the devil. To mock and make fun of others is not overcoming. I know, I have done it. When others laugh it only feeds the fire of sin, and it is sin to mock others all in the guise of wit. Overcoming can only be accomplished as we walk in the spirit, and yield ourselves to the Lord. We can't do it apart from God's grace and enabling. Toughing something out may look like overcoming to the world, but God looks on the heart. Only with utter dependance on Jesus and faith in the Word of God will we truly overcome in all things. I have a long way to go, but by God's grace I am an overcomer.
If a fireman goes into a house to fight a fire and gets hurt,then they carry him out. Is he still a fireman??? We are overcomers now-- but we must continue to overcome--endure to the end. Do we have 2 natures??? No but we must crucify the flesh. Are we sanctified now---yes but we must remain seperated from this world. As the Lord was opening up to me a deep revelation, He started getting deeper than I could understand. I said Lord I don't understand. He said you see, When I speak through you and people don't understand, you will have to make it clear to them. Thank you Lord I am going to bless you with a bible chapter to read. If the Lord leads I will tell you another revelation God gave me out of this chapter. I,m hoping he will speak to you by the Spirit something. This is more exciting than a group of people sitting together and caught up in some entertainment together. It will also glorify the Lord. bless you in Jesus name.
Sorry I forgot to put the chapter. 2 Cor. ch.2 There are actually more than one thing he showed me but this is going to be a blessing. I will try to remember to preview a message first next time. I'll add a little blessing-- If you haven't heard of instaverse type in google instaverse it will bring you to the website. what it does is when in most cases you put your curser over a scripture passage it will display the scripture so you won't have to look it up in your bible. It helps when there are a lot of passages to look up.
"We are overcomers now." You are right Dave. I had a check when I wrote it that way, and almost went back and corrected it, but as you can see I didn't. But, yes I am an overcomer, and shall go back and correct what I wrote. I will read the scripture when I get home tonight. I am sure it is a blessing.
some helpful passages. These may also help other readers who ask for a basis of the statement. Prov.23:7 as a person thinketh in his heart so is he. 2Cor.2:14 notice the word always. Christ always causeth us to triumph. When we miss the mark by sin, 1Jn.1:9 God forgives us and forgets also. We must remember that preservation and perseverance go hand in hand. Also that Heb.12:2 part A. Jesus is the author and the finisher of our faith. The word of God is the equipment which will see us to the end. Jude 1:24 now unto him who is able to keep you from falling,and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory, with exceeding joy. Rev.21:8 mentions things to overcome. the last 3 caught my atention. Sorcerers which is from the word Pharmekia, Oral Roberts just passed away. That is the word from medicine. I haven't had a aspirin for 30+ years. Nor seen a Dr. Thank you Jesus. Col.3:5 tells us that covetous is Idolatry. I heard it said if a minister asks for money he is not looking to God. I would add though that if his motive is pure he would say I will take up a collection when I come.Paul did that. I think Paul was just telling them that he would take care of the business as a servant. never using give to get tactics etc. He looked to God and not Baal for his needs. liars. no wonder a good minister will always emphesize preach the word of truth. There have been times when calling churches that the answering service says to me (it is a person from the church who put the message on there, saying-- leave your name and phone number and we'll get back with you. This is several times this has happened. never heard from them yet. My calls were seriously important, well I do forgive, but hope they get right soon. I know that many may be proud that they are overcomers , but overcomers must overcome for others also. And so live a crucified life and let Jesus live in them by his precious Holy Spirit. I hope that all I have said is clear and gives meaningful direction. Jesus has overcome for us as we live in Christ Jesus.
Thanks, brother, for the words from the Word. His mercies are new every morning. If we have blown it, we can start over with a clean slate everyday! Also, when the woman came to Elijah, when her son had just died, she was asked what was wrong. She only replied, "All is well." She did not walk by feelings, sight, circumstances, or what people reported to her about the situation. She just said, "All is well." That is my report too. All is well and everything I am believing for is lined up with His promises in His perfect timing. His Word is sure as we trust in Him and watch Him move in His faithfulness. Blessings, GWB "Be still and know that I am God."
May I ask a question? Are all Christians overcomers?
sincerely wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 02:43 May I ask a question? Are all Christians overcomers? This is my understanding of God's Word concerning this question, there seems to be two different groups of overcomers. In I John 5:4 it says; "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world..." and we know what John 3:16 says, "...Whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life." So we see from this and many other places in The Word that YES, in that sense, all Christians are overcomers because they have overcame death and hell and have their names written in The Lambs Book of Life. If a person is saved and going to heaven, then they've overcame. (I also believe that there are many Christians who, even having the teaching on the manchild/overcomers, have decided that they're not willing to make that commitment to obey Jesus in ALL THINGS, and are 'banking' on God's grace to just get in...that's why they, 'in their liberty', constantly belittle those who seek to overcome and walk in obedience. ) Also in Revelation we see that many will come out of the great tribulation, having washed their robes white in The Blood of The Lamb.(Rev.7:14) Then we have taught in Revelation that there will be a group who will overcome in all things, the group of Christian many of us confesss and desire to be in. Whether we are or not will be determined by God, and our ACTIONS, far more than what we 'say'. Yet I think we already knew this, and the question was asked to make a point, rather than get an explanation. We should 'confess' to be overcomers; more importantly;(imo) we should strive to OVERCOME, because when we overcome, we are 'overcomers'. But to set ourselves apart as elite, superchristians, because we DON'T do this and that...is an additude that should be guarded against, and the closer we come to walking in true obedience to The Lord, as overcomers, the more humble we will become, because we will start seeing that IT IS TOTALLY BY GRACE and that we didn't CHOOSE Him...He CHOSE us. If what I wrote doesn't include every possible thing that could be said on this subject, and needs correction, then PTL...
Hi, most of your answers are in Theology. The behavior of a Christian determines his or her fate. Christians can miss the mark but conviction in conscience causes them to repent. We who are of the faith camp, don't believe in a unbalanced once saved always saved message. If you are elect you shall be saved, but God still allows our free choices. I was sharing with a man few days ago and he said that the scripture Eph. 2:8-9 that it's not faith but grace that saves us. I was not rough with him and told him by faith we believe first. We had talked of other things and couldn't continue. I looked the passage up and did a Greek study. there where it says through-- through is a preposition and when you see it the word that is secondary--faith will then proceed to be before the primary word. ---grace--- so it reads according to the preposition faith first by the strength and grace second. If this is difficult-- don't use the word confusion that is a spirit Always say I need to understand or something. When I teach it is only to bless, I give more because I love more-- So to say one is a Christian doesn't mean they are one--only the elect are true Christians. They don't abuse grace and also they know their weaknesses. A sweet saying ,you can never walk out of the palm of the Father's hand except if you want to. I had a tremendous thing revealed to me today. You can see that even the wicked cloth themselves like angels of light, they are light on the outside but full of darkness on the inside. I said that to say this, that we who are lovers of God's word must remember that the devil confesses the word to Jesus in Matt. 4:4 but he uses it for deceitfulness. So God has made a distinction which we who are overcomers must set us apart. They will know that we are Christians by our staying in the presence of God. We can have all the teachings and Theology etc, but if we don't know or have a relationship with God. The body of Christ is something that God put us into. If the members are seperated they still must remain attached to the head. Jesus the head. If they do he is well able to heal his own body. We can pray that while we are waiting to be in his true body, that he will extend to us life support. He loves us where we are. If the husband goes on a trip and leaves his wife home their love communication and hearts remain intact. I am not bitter towards those who have done me wrong in assemblies, In my absence of them I love them more. Jesus is so close to me now that I can't hurt or even be bothered about anything he is my peace. I received two health attacks after confessing to be a overcomer but I entered into the presence of Jesus, and was instantly healed the other day. It is such a priviledge to know of my relationship with Jesus that when I make apologies for mishaps that he tells me my faith has received forgiveness, and a anointing comes of peace. It is through relationship with him that keeps me confident and secure that I am a Christian, not what I know. At the same time what I know about his word is the basis for faith in him. song -- if you knew how close the finish line was you'd take a deep breath and give it all you got. Hope you know the rest. God blessed tonight helped me find a better solo mode on my P.A. it strengthens the voice. Plus super clarity. Just for fellowship I have been a worship leader in many places. It is a gift. The Lord gave me a revelation about the songs he has been giving me. They are prophetical. I can teach and lead worship wherever he leads. God bless. I posted also in praise God for tonight.
James said: "We should 'confess' to be overcomers; more importantly;(imo) we should strive to OVERCOME, because when we overcome, we are 'overcomers'. But to set ourselves apart as elite, superchristians, because we DON'T do this and that...is an additude that should be guarded against, and the closer we come to walking in true obedience to The Lord, as overcomers, the more humble we will become, because we will start seeing that IT IS TOTALLY BY GRACE and that we didn't CHOOSE Him...He CHOSE us." Excellent way to say it, James. As some have slowly drifted from their walk with Jesus there is a pride that has crept in. Maybe because they don't like the thought that they wasted all that time giving up such things as TV or Movies, or the way they drive or the way they talk. They look back to Egypt and see all the things they had instead of looking ahead to all the things to come. They slowly start to criticize others because they don't see eye to eye on some spiritual matters now, so it is easier for them to shout from the mountain how they are now free. Overcoming is not about giving things up or not doing something, but rather it is a matter of walking so closely with Jesus that it is something you want to do, so as to not grieve the Holy Spirit. God is the one who gives us the enabling to overcome all things. Most will not want to pay the price to be an Overcomer, to strive to overcome as Jesus did in all things. We dont' walk in the Spirit without spending time in the word and prayer, and in fellowship with Jesus. Faith without works is dead, so an overcomer without having to overcome things is not going to happen. God is giving us all trials of our faith and putting us in situations where we are called to be a light and to overcome. When a brother or sister lies about you, or slanders you, there are a couple choices to make. Sit and be upset, tell them off, gossip about the situation because your pride was hurt, or just give it to Jesus and overcome and pray for the person. Now I know there are more choices than these, but you get the point: we are called to die to the situation and let God take care of it. All the saints we read about in the Word of God were not super human who just overcame everything, but rather just people like us who had feelings and emotions they had to give to the Lord. When they saw their friends and family die at the hands of wicked men they had to forgive just like we do. And the christians in other countries who are dying for the faith and being tortured are just like us: people who have a relationship with the Lord. We need to be ready just like them if and when it comes here, and that ability to overcome will only come with a relationship with Jesus and by knowing the Word of God.
Greetings, I have been busy with family staying & then leaving me with their dog. It is our holiday time like your mid-year holidays. We have had rain so I have five acres to mow when I get the mower fixed. Had to learn to put the battery on the charger but it still won't start. I did appreciate your replies. I believe we have the same desires, different experiences, different ways of expressing & understanding. Was going to ask for prayer again & thought maybe a prayer partner is what I need. By the way, if someone emailed, I think I deleted it in junk mail. God bless you all.
Hello Sincerely, Great to hear from you again! That would have been me that tried to e-mail you. I first tried to Private Message, but that has not been chosen by you. If you would like to communicate to some of us through PM you could go in and turn it on, or you can also go to the private messaging page and there is a spot there where you can e-mail. When I had an e-mail from someone from OO once it took me a few days to open it because I wasn't sure who it was from. I went to the library and opened it on their computers since they have excellent virus protection PM is an excellent way to communicate because it is only between you and the other people. If you have a prayer request and there are a few people you would like to share it with you can PM them and they would be the only ones to receive it. If you chose to do this I think there is a spot on the USER CP part of the site when you can turn it on. We all would be blessed to stand with you in prayer. One will put a thousand to flight and two ten thousand. Jesus sent his disciples out in two to minister, and if brothers and sisters on OO is what we have, then I thank God that he has provided this fellowship and friendship. I am very blessed by everyone who shares here. I am convicted and edified and have had answers to prayer. Lord bless you.
We all would be blessed to stand with you in prayer. One will put a thousand to flight and two ten thousand. Yes Amen. There is a time to stand alone and a time to ask for help. If you need help then ask. None of us are in this alone. Paul walked out his life and trials yet had no problem asking for help.
Hi, Hope I can be a help. All that will be said here is just guessing. If you are using a riding mower, first check the oil. many models will have a safety part in them to not allow mower to run if oil is to low. If battery is not seeming to be okay, use your vehicle and use jumper cables. I jump my riding mower each time that way. It is easy for these kind of batteries to run down quick. There are push mowers with batteries also if a larger model they can be jumped also. with the extra power of jumping them you will have enough power to evaluate if it is another problem. Also if it is a riding mower, the motor has a round fan usually on top. by turning it opposite of clockwise, (it is hard to turn), when turned keep hands away and when you turn the key you will have a stronger combustion in the motor which can help start it. Also make sure you spark plug is not old or in bad shape. These are at least a few tips. If you got it running still you can save these tips. God bless. P.S. don't forget to change your oil. I might add that on a vehicle oil is the life blood of a vehicle. The viscosity in the oil breaks down. it will be black when changed. Good maybe every 2-3 thousand miles. I would encourage you that when 2 or more are Matt. 18:19 gathered in Jesus name he is in the midst of them and if they pray for any thing it shall be given them of the father. prayer key-- Father you gave me every thing that I have, also what I need to get any thing accomplished. Thank you many times. Phil. 4:19.
Hi brodave9, Thanks for your advice. The ride-on mower's battery was very low. so man just came & put in new battery. My prayer requests are usually about family. Very rarely ask for prayer for myself. One is preparing to be married very shortly. I have no ability to deal with the situation other than to seek the Lord in prayer. It doesn't seem like an ideal move, but maybe the Lord is allowing it. All I can pray is the Lord reveal all they need to know to know & choose His will. I have found I cannot put my interpretation of the Word on anyone else. I have laid as great a foundation as I possibly can. There comes a stage when you can't do any more. Now for the "healthy discernments, questionings, and being held accountable discussions". God bless
Hi Sincerely, We miss you, where have you been? "There comes a stage when you can't do any more." Boy, is that ever true. I am trying to learn that myself right now in a situation with my family. I remember we use to sing a song that said: "Only believe, only believe. All things are possible, only believe." Hope all is going well with you and your family. It is fun having a saint from Australia sharing with all of us. Living here in Michigan in the Midwest I get more snow and cold than some of the other brethren on this site. I must say, I really do enjoy it. Do you get snow where you live? Being summer there I would think it is quite hot. Well, hope to hear from you again soon. Lord bless.
G'day Sage, Thanks for your kind thoughts. This is just a quick note as my daughter, husband, 3 children & 2 dogs will be arriving in a few hours. I have never seen snow. It is very hot here at the moment, but we did have some rain. I have 5 acres to tend to. My husband loved trees & planted them everywhere he could. That is nice but also a lot of work when mowing & cleaning; another reason why I am not writing at this time. I have to pick up branches before I can mow. Prickly fern comes up everywhere. Very peaceful if you don't mind leaves & mess. People are telling me to downsize but God will tell me what to do & when. He has a plan for my life & for all of us. We have been prepared, haven't we? I always relate to the "The Harness of the Lord". "Only believe" was one of the first choruses I learnt nearly 60 years ago. Someone sent me this today http://associate.com/groups/anzac/0::1130read.html God bless all
I discern that your yardwork is difficult for you. As you praise the Lord while working in the large yard, He wants to be like a gourd over Jonah to you. He is the God of all comfort. Remember we are God's garden 1 Cor. 3:9 For we are laborers together with God, ye are God's husbandry, (farm or garden,) ye are God's building. These words came to me, Abaddon the destroyer King of locusts, is the meaning of the name, is behind the h1n1 virus in U.S. We are praying against this as mentioned in other posts. Joel 2:25 and I will restore unto you the years that the locust has eaten. The devil when driven out with our praise, then we shall be restored. We also drive out all destructions Ps.9:6 oh thou enemy destructions have come to a perpetual end. We want only the first part of that verse for U.S.. Ps.107:20 He sent his word and healed them and delivered them from all their destructions. See now I have seen your yard in the Spirit. posted in bible blessings my mother in laws yard and table. by the way it is mary and not Martha thanks for the correction. we must be busy and also sit at Jesus feet. Balanced. Another thought.At his feet or under them our choice.
Please pray for my daughter and son-in-law. He lost his mom this afternoon. She was saved. PTL
Sure will keep your family in prayer. Praise the Lord she is with Jesus now, what joy she must be experiencing. What we all look forward to one day, seeing our savior face to face and entering into His joy and peace.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Cor. 15:54
Hello, There is always the loss as well as the rejoicing that our loved one has experienced what we are all aiming for ourselves -to be with the Lord. May your family know His comfort in their grief.
Thank you Sage, sincerely, and everyone else. His Word really is a great comfort.
You have my comfort in your loss. A few weeks ago I was ministering in a nursing home I go to regularly. Afew people were missing,some were there. They were holding back but as I ministered some began to cry. When I left I knew not why, just knew something has happened. I called last night to go back tomorrow. The lady that answered said she has only been working there 2 days. The day or two before I went last time the activities director passed away. My message will be from the Lord, but to start it off, I will use the new lady as a example of resurection. how the person passes from the old to the new. How that we can rejoice to know that we can have eternal life. then a few things about joy now and joy forever. It is no coininsidence that we are talking about 2 different situations here. to be clear 2 losses. Let him that has a ear hear what the Spirit is saying, my people as you walk with me and crucify-put to death the flesh, of all self, I will bring life into this forum and make you a specticle to the whole world. or I will make it a death and a hiss and boo to the world. remember death and life are in the power of the tongue. write my word as you are my epistles to be read of all men to bring me glory, I will bless.
Quote: "It is no coincidence that we are talking about 2 different situations here. to be clear 2 losses. Let him that has a ear hear what the Spirit is saying, my people as you walk with me and crucify-put to death the flesh, of all self, I will bring life into this forum and make you a spectacle to the whole world. or I will make it a death and a hiss and boo to the world. remember death and life are in the power of the tongue. write my word as you are my epistles to be read of all men to bring me glory, I will bless." Brother Dave, I believe you have the mind of the Lord more than you will ever know. I also believe this is the most important post, to date, in this forum. I will let the Word of the Lord speak for itself.
Quote: brodav9 wrote: > It is no coininsidence that we are talking about 2 different situations here. to be clear 2 losses. Let him that has a ear hear what the Spirit is saying, my people as you walk with me and crucify-put to death the flesh, of all self, I will bring life into this forum and make you a specticle to the whole world. or I will make it a death and a hiss and boo to the world. remember death and life are in the power of the tongue. write my word as you are my epistles to be read of all men to bring me glory, I will bless. I must be missing something here... is this supposed to be a prophecy? I really don't get it at all. When I saw GWB's response saying that this was one of the most important posts on here I thought that I had better seek a clearer and maybe a less wordy explanation. 1. Two situations? Are you referring to the two deaths mentioned in this thread? 2. Walk with Jesus and die to self. (I get this part.) 3. Life to this forum. Here you make a statement that is conditional upon walking with Jesus and dying to self. Here is the problem --who is it that must be walking with Jesus in order for your 'word' to be fulfilled? All of us? Most of us? A few of us? One of us? I'll just tell you right now that I don't receive any "word" for this forum that is dependent upon whether or not you, (or anyone else) is walking with Jesus. 4. Spectacle to the whole world. Sounds like someone is a little confused as to the extent of our influence! 5. Death and a hiss and a boo to this world. They hated Jesus, they'll hate us. 6. Death and life are in the power of the tongue. This is why I don't receive your 'word'. Not that I'm that interested in building a mega-forum or anything, but I'm certainly not going to amen something as unclear as your post. 7. Our lives are living epistles (my paraphrase). I agree with this! If you could explain yourself, I would appreciate it, if not, then consider me one of those who does not have an ear to hear your pronouncements. William
brother m. I want to apologise, for the Lord showed me that what I was writing part of it was for me. meaning that I included strong meat--which he was giving me in order to bring forth the prophesy. That was the 2 deaths. I'm not supposed to explain that for it would be difficult. For it is strong meat. The prophesy, which you have said is hard to understand means that at that point you are desiring a personal understanding. I did not have to give you the understanding, for you already have it by the Spirit and I am going to help you see it. first let me say that you are my friend, and it is because of this forum, and my being able to minister to it by the Spirit I was ushered into a fullness of the Spirit so that God could reveal to me my call into the 5-fold ministry. So there is the glory of God that rests on the forum. that is just one of the wonderful things God can do with this forum. I know it sounded to you differently than maybe someone else, boo and hiss. I'm sorry if that offended you, it was meant to bring things into good order. I know you appreciate good order on the forum. If there is any personal discrepancies, and brothers and sisters send each other personal messages --PMS, then they will not look like a division and strife,boo and hiss to the world, the word of God tells us with all wisdom get understanding. I think that if we apply this to the body of Christ, we can see that if a word which is out of the wisdom of God, should come we should seek understanding. I am going to prove that I live by what I say for I am going to send you a PM right now to give you the word of the Lord, that is because it is strong meat and others may not understand it. It is a word of love so all will know it's not a word of hatefulness. God bless readers
I believe this is a prophecy in the form of an exhortation (Charismatic Body Ministry, page 12) to anyone who wants to receive it. Everyone has the right to discern what was brought forth and I believe that the validity of the prophecy is not contingent on whether people want to receive it or not. We sit back and wait to see whether it is fulfilled or not; that is the test to validate a prophecy. We are spectacles to the world. This is the www. Anyone and everyone can stop by and see what is going on among the brethren. We are also spectacles when we walk before men in everyday life. I believe the hiss and boo part is about the world. Yes, they hate and mock us. Sometimes they are right in their judgments. Sometimes we hiss and boo among ourselves. This is something we must guard against. I think brodav9 makes a good point about PMs. I think Sage brought this up as well. It is something I am still trying to figure out in the forum setting. Forgive me if I was wrong in saying we could discuss everything in front of the world. Now I see it is not a good idea. Death and life are certainly in the power of the tongue. There is nothing wrong with asking for clarification. The martyr part, I did find that hard to chew, even though it is the Word. It is not fun getting killed for what you believe. I think the prophecy had all of the nuts and bolts of FA; the crucified life, martyrdom in Christianity, positive thinking and confession, (writing when communicating), and The Sermon on the Mount. I still think this is a serious Word, from the Lord through brodav9, for a serious people. Absolutely no pun intended. I just like the way you put it one time, moulder, and I am using it here. Sorry if I have offended anyone in this forum. That is not my intention and I want to respect the goals of this forum and my brothers and sisters who are here.
"Sorry if I have offended anyone in this forum. That is not my intention and I want to respect the goals of this forum and my brothers and sisters who are here." Thanks, but no offense taken here. I certainly don't feel you were trying to be disrespectful of the people or goals here. We are all learning and are being conformed into the image of Christ, but none of us have arrived. I sure know I haven't. If I was too harsh, I am sorry. When there is a disagreement in something we all need to seek the Lord and see what happened and why. What was done to you years back was wrong, but you can't change the past, only forgive and go on with your life. If people don't forgive and forget the past it will change them into a bitter, resentful, hateful person and be a weight and burden. That is one reason the Lord makes it so clear how important it is to forgive and forget. And that is one nice thing when dealing with brothers and sisters in Christ, we can be forgiven and forgive. And as Psalm 103:8-12 says: "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy. He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." So if Jesus does this for us, we need to do the same, forgive(whether it's others or ourselves)and keep pressing on. Please PM me if you would like to clear the air on anything, I would be glad to make sure everything is fine. But on my end, there are no bad or hurt feelings at all. Lord bless you.
Just wanted to share the opportunity with others so they can participate in what is happening here. At this moment am being surrounded with people who are interested in hearing about things of the bible. questions like Charismatic teachings. Also a door to minister music has opened again. Some times we can miss the simple things. The truck has been in the shop over 3 monthes so have been held up. It came to me to ask if people could help with cart equipment. That was the only real hold up. It will amaze people to see so much equipment come out of so small a car. By the way mother in law is letting me use her car. God uses whatever means we need,. Hopeful that the Lord will place many people in our paths to share the good news. Also that he will do that for you. So may your prayers be united with mine to see God do great things. amen.
Brothers & Sisters, I ask that you intercede for Grandom on behalf of his son Rick. Grandom is on his way to the hospital now to minister to his needs. We thank you Jesus for hearing our prayers ! It is Your report that we Believe ! Thank you all in Jesus Name
I am praying fervently until I hear the good report.
I am stepping out on a limb, here; Cyber Body Ministry. While praying for your situation, Grandom, I believe He gave me Psalm 117 for you. Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles! Laud Him, all you peoples. For His merciful kindness is great toward us, And the truth of the Lord endures forever.
I am praying. Members from here were kind enough & cared enough to pray for me & I have felt the strength of those prayers so that I didn't stay crumpled under the heavy oppression, but able to consider not the circumstances, but consider Him.... To have prayer support & the love of fellow Christians is invaluable. God bless, sincerely
My thanks to JWBTI for posting prayer request on my behalf. Thanks to GWB and Sincerely for your prayers. My son is out of the hospital and in my home. God has graciously granted much healing . God Bless you all. Dick
Please pray for a family in our area who lost their son to suicide. Also, in this situation, come against a "suicide pact" at the local school. I know family and friends who are involved with this situation and I would appreciate your prayers.
Brother Ken Neilson became ill and stopped breathing the other day. He has been on a vent since then. "Critical update - Ken is still on the ventilator. His cat scan did not come back positive. We need your prayers immediately for the following: motor skills - movement of hands, feet, anything. Seperation of gray and white matter in the brain. Increased brain acrivity. On a scale from 1 to 10,10 being normal he is at a 1. Our God is the healer and we are believing for a miracle! Stand in intercession and prayer tonight. Come to Goshen Hospital if you want to join us in prayer." The doctors want a decision from Menlanee in the next 24 hrs Kathy Yotter
Please pray for Mark Nei's family. It seems a member of his family is battling against falling into a coma tonight. He requested prayer on Children of Fa and People of FA. I am sure that he would appreciate the prayers of the saints.
Hi GWB, What is the link to People of FA ? Thanks, Jman ____________________________ At the time of this post . . . 39 years and 348 days without apostles. Initial start date 1/1/72
Children of FA. Open group http://www.facebook.com/groups/7027068222/?ref=ts People of FA is a closed group. Have to be admitted to read and participate. although all are welcome http://www.facebook.com/groups/peopleofFA/