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Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: A while back I posted a note concerning something that Joe Brenneman mentioned in his blog that I didn't understand... (if you are interested in the discussion, it is in Bible Issues--here is the link): http://overcomersonline.com/FUDforum2/index.php?t=msg&th =74&start=0&S=642fffc464eb6e8084e26b565f8c01d2 He has recently (April 23, 2008) posted a note that may be of interest: http://frontpage.kconline.com/faithassembly/joblog0804.htm It deals with some of the issues that we have recently discussed. Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-04-24T20:36:39-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Quote: Hombre: That's the ticket, mates..... Inspiration, not: d r u d g e r y. Good point... actually your whole note is inspirational. Do we really believe that the NT church sat down and decided to change the dress codes for the newly founded church? They dressed like everyone else dressed. It wasn't until the Council of Pants that men gave up their kilts for more modest clothing. The NT Church didn't need to prove that they were different by wearing special garb, the difference was obvious by the power! As I see it, Paul's insistence on the headcovering for the Corinthians leads me to believe that conformity to the Greek society was the goal, not uniqueness. In other words, the gospel of Christ was so important, he refused to let side issues like women's headcoverings and speaking in church, hinder its propagation, even if it meant that the women would need to limit their freedom for the greater good. It cannot be denied that Greek women as a society wore the headcovering. They also had a greatly inferior position in all of the functions of that society. Apparently, the ones who flaunted those societal norms were the hetaera... they refused to submit to the cultural norms. Naturally Paul did not want Christian women associated with these known prostitutes, hence his regulations. So, if this is the case, one might ask: "What is wrong with a church seeking to limit its women from dressing and acting (and performing/ministering) like the worldly women of today?" Nothing. As long as the society/culture as a whole associates women who dress a certain way and act a certain way, with prostitutes, then the overriding concern should be that the Gospel be not hindered. If dressing a certain way and acting a certain way (ministry) hinders the Gospel, then conformity to the norms should be paramount. Fortunately this isn't the case (with a few notable exceptions) in our American society. In other societies, an Islamic society for instance, the headcovering for a woman seeki…
creator: william
date: 2008-04-25T15:05:57-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: I thought Joe did a good job of presenting Faith Assembly's present position. I think he is right about women wearing the headcovering.
creator: Michael The Disciple
date: 2008-04-27T00:38:53-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Boy, are your discussions interesting! By the way, hi, Michael--just saw your post re my intro. I'm looking the site over and trying to decide how to come at things...I do have a story and a half--my life wasn't quiet in FA, and it hasn't been quiet outside. I can honestly say if I didn't learn what I did at FA, I'd not have made it till now. I'm not ready to tell that yet, but I've got to start somewhere, so I'm going to take a deep breath and wade in, ok, dive in... . (Maybe tomorrow I'll post what I told someone else recently that I learned at FA...). But back to the subject at hand, Hombre said: ...then there's the matter of attending a 'church' where the people believe that the way that they have established is 110% right, and regardless of whether the official position is 'freedom', tell me how long a woman is going to last in there without a doily, or wearing feminine 'trousers'....and how long exactly until one realizes that they really aren't a part of 'it' until they become like one of 'them'? This point really concerns me. It seems to me too many specifics regarding dress (and other areas in FA and elsewhere) can open doors toward (though I really believe that's absolutely not intended) legalism and hot on its heels, a battle with spiritual pride. I think that tendency is not Faith Assembly per se, but a temptation to everyone, and I wonder how the balance of their personal conviction re dress God wants for everyone and freedom for others to grow in that conviction (or not) can be maintained with respect from and for those on both sides of the issue. The deeper issue that flows from this one, however, is that whichever side of that (or another) fence I'm on, I think it's a very real temptation for me as a human being to discount "the other side's" views on everything, and thus not allow "iron to sharpen iron" by letting other living stones rub off on me. I have a ready-made excuse--they don't have light here (I think) so I don't have to listen there...bes…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-04-27T03:43:25-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: I've alway thought that the mini-skirt was a Greek invention, worn also by the Romans... course it was the men that wore them, not the women. Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-05-01T15:14:00-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hi all. I'm off today so I'm meandering more (my guys are tempted to think I'm "off" all the time but that's another subject). --BTW is there any way to start a post here and save it as a draft??? It might have saved me some late nights...but then again I want to write while the inspiration is flowing... . I would like to bring up Faith Assembly again. Let me say right now, I am absolutely 100% not wanting to "bash Faith Assembly!" How could I want to when I received so much there? I also fully believe that today they are trying awfully hard to hold to what they perceive God wants them to hold to, while at the same time trying to bring a balance to some past issues - not doctrinal issues, but application issues. I will be the first to say that's like trying to walk a tightrope - one false move in any direction and it's a long tumble! Personally, as I pray over the FA body, I really believe God has commissioned them to plant themselves and not budge on these truths that were of Him, including many aspects of the extreme separation from the world. In my own life, though I believe God led me out of that extreme separation, I honestly know what I got from it--and to be totally honest, I wouldn't put it past God to call at least some of us to total separation from media again if the battle gets hot and heavy enough. I also believe if Faith Assembly can't hold their ground, that something very valuable will be lost to the body of Christ. Someone might ask, "What does it matter if they stand or fall now; we got what we needed, and besides, they aren't a big enough group at this point to make much of a difference?" I would reply, "Since when does God need big numbers...Joshua against Jericho (they didn't even fight!), David (and God!) against Goliath, Gideon's Army...we all know God delights in doing the unlikely thing to confound His enemies." I believe one reason He would have them stand as a body is to stand for the truths of the Word entrusted to them. You might say, "Y…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-02T21:18:34-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: captured: Quote: I would like to bring up Faith Assembly again. Let me say right now, I am absolutely 100% not wanting to "bash Faith Assembly!" How could I want to when I received so much there? I also fully believe that today they are trying awfully hard to hold to what they perceive God wants them to hold to, while at the same time trying to bring a balance to some past issues - not doctrinal issues, but application issues. I will be the first to say that's like trying to walk a tightrope - one false move in any direction and it's a long tumble! I guess I see it a little different than you, but I think I see your point. I'm all for praying for the current FA (something I confess I haven't done much of) but I'm not willing to just sweep things under the rug either and ignore some of the areas where I believe we were dead wrong. We've explored a lot of those areas over the last few years and while I'm not sure we are all at the same place (and maybe you are right in your assessment that it is because we all are standing pretty much as individuals and not as a unified body) I do think we've moved on in our walk with God. Some may see it more as a regression, but that's okay too! Quote: They seem near as I can tell to be custodians of the message, and I wonder if their job isn't to bring those truths to other parts of the body of Christ that are part of the remnant and don't know it yet. The difference between my using what I learned at FA and their proclaiming and using it is the difference between my using my tools (hammer, saw, etc) and their demonstrating, explaining and sharing the tools and their use as their main focus and equipping the rest God calls to learn what we did. Custodians of "the message” or custodians of the message of the Bible? We are all called to walk in the truths presented in the Bible and in that sense we are all called to be custodians. I confess I know little about what goes on at FA now beyond what I've read in Joe's blog, so that should…
creator: william
date: 2008-05-03T00:15:10-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hi, all! Thank you for replying, William--it gives me an opportunity both to "come to balance" and/or to say what I mean (hopefully) a little more clearly. I didn't mean to touch off any red flags, but I understand how this post easily could have. Speaking of, I sincerely apologize to all ! I had some red flags about the May 1, 2008 FA blog which I see upon second prayerful reading provoked by your comments, William, didn't hold water! I had taken some things differently than the way I see they were meant. I too agree in the main with it. I also deeply apologize to Joe Brenneman and Faith Assembly if anyone from there by any chance reads this for not reading it at least twice before commenting. By God's grace I will not do that again! Thanks for the heads-up there, brother! Now-I operate by trying to "describe what I see." When I do, it almost always needs to be refined, and I can't do that in a void, so I have to prayerfully "put it out there" so brothers and sisters can challenge me, and that is often where the refinement comes, both in words (saying more clearly) and in balance. One of my friends says she gets quiet to "process" things. I do also to an extent. But she says after my quiet, the second thing I do to process is verbalize. That is what I'm doing here...but on another point, me lopsided and needing balance? Never! Hah! - if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you...its in Brooklyn!! Anyway, onward. Note: I will not be able to comment on all you said in reply in one post, so I'll start here, and more to follow, . A request, brothers and sisters--please think of my last post as a starting place and please hear me out...online communication can be difficult in some ways and take time--in a face-to-face I could correct what I said right away--can't here. Thank you, and may God bless you for your patience with me. Also, I am going to try to reply to all of William's points before I go to any others (if there are any others) since his post was first. Yo…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-03T18:34:12-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: From what I understand, there is still FA, but there are 2 other churches in Indiana that claim to be holding on to the truth exactly the way Dr Freeman preached it, yet these 3 churches cant agree on several points. Yet they claim to carry the mantle. Not only cant they agree, but they cant seem to get along either. They all claim they are right. Plus there are those in Indy that claim they are holding fast to Dr Freeman, but disagree amoung them selves and with those north of them. Has any of these churches learned anything thing yet? I hope so, but I dont know.
creator: whitearizona
date: 2008-05-04T02:52:43-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Capturedbygrace: Greetings in Jesus Name! Please forgive me for jumping in on this topic Ref :The Now Faith Assembly ! Over the last two years, I have at times tried to communicate with Bro Joe, Pastor at FA. He would not respond to E-mails. Although He refered to us as the Old Guards in his blog. (Us, being those who where at FA & the Glory Barn before he showed up.) His Blog has been very negative toward me & others from the Old Guard.......It is not that we haven't tried to show forth our love an compassion for the Body in Warsaw......Yep, we care ! But what happens when the Parent Church rejects the children ? (as if to say FA in Warsaw was our Parent Church) ?! What about Tom Hamilton ? I think he has been keeping the message longer than Bro Joe......Wonder what Tom would think about Joes Blog ? Have ya heard any of Toms messages lately ? So what do we do ? Drive to Warsaw 3 times a week or Shelbyville Ky or even Grand Rapids or is there not a God in Ohio, MIch, in Bhama or Fla or Ky or in the town that you live in ?
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-04T04:16:12-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hi, again everyone! Let me first say, thank you all for not killing me. You've not used slash and burn here, and I'm very grateful (seriously)!! But I'm also very glad you're replying. This post is not a "reply" post per say. Here I'm trying to amplify what I'm sensing in my heart so I don't intellectually try to argue my case--I guess I'm trying to let you see what I sense from my spiritual eyes to see if it resonates in your hearts... I don't know how exactly to explain what I'm sensing about these issues I'm bringing up, but I still think they are vital. Until those of us who are healed enough (and God won't leave the rest of us unhealed if we want healing...hang on for it...) fully explore and wrestle with God about the "forgiveness enough to be able to pray in depth" for FA angle, and until we actually enter into (those who are called to it) a burden of intercession for them, I don't believe we will see what God wants to do. I will be the first to say that applies to me as well, because I didn't have this burden any time over the years--until six or so weeks ago. I even thought I was healed - and I certainly was to a great degree - but then our church started getting the die to self, ask God about everything, learn your giftings message coming out weekly in embryonic form without religion (as far as I can discern) and, at this point without discernible pride. Brothers and sisters, I got scared. What has been scaring me has been the potential to have the chaff grow again...and I do not want to go there. I went before God seeking Him and He said to "google Faith Assembly." I did and as I kept reading and praying, the Lord through various means has been having me (again!) intensely revisit that season, and the good He's brought out of it. As always, in such a looking back, what isn't healed also comes to the surface (sort of like "dirty foam"). I believe God is skimming that layer of foam off me, and as He does, I keep sensing there is something He wants accomplis…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-04T19:31:43-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: I'm listening... partly because what you are saying goes against everything my flesh wants to say and do right now and partly because of Ezekiel 37 and Judges 6. I'll leave it at that for now. Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-05-04T21:05:40-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hombre wrote on Sat, 03 May 2008 10:38 moulder wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 19:15 I guess I see it a little different than you, but I think I see your point. I'm all for praying for the current FA (something I confess I haven't done much of) but I'm not willing to just sweep things under the rug either and ignore some of the areas where I believe we were dead wrong. LIke where for example? It wasn't until I quoted the above that I saw your smiley face and realized that you were just being funny! I'll go ahead and answer, but you could go back and read over your own previously posted list which summarized the matter much more eloquently. For the most part those things would be disagreements over external (and mostly superficial) stuff that we've beat to death here. TV, shoes, tee shirts, caps, kilts (http://realmenwearkilts.net!), and stuff like that. More importantly, stuff like our attitudes (elitism, legalism, etc.), our love (or lack of), in short: our application of the teaching. Doctrinally speaking, I only have a few things that come to mind, some of which are included in the above list... divorce & remarriage (mostly our attitudes toward those who were and not specifically the negative portrayal of divorce in the Bible), clothing laws from the OT presented as NT laws, men not wearing caps while praising God (lest anyone think I'm only concerned with feminine issues!!), the prevention of women from using certain gifts of the Holy Spirit, and the silent requirement of those women. Doctrinal agreement would categorize me more than doctrinal disagreement (especially with the Gideon's army message and the theological teachings). Got to get the hamburgers on the grill now… bye! Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-05-04T22:11:00-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hombre wrote: 1.Yeah...what about Tom Hamilton....? I think that if you so a search on his name, somewhere along the line I saw a mailing address and some other info..but I can't remember where....... 2. We know that there is no God on Obama...er...Osama.....er..... ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ Hombre, sorry that I was not being clear in my ref to Tom.............try this Ref the statement made by Capturedbygrace May 2, 2008 about FA. (They seem near as I can tell to be custodians of the message, and I wonder if their job isn't to bring those truths to other parts of the body of Christ that are part of the remnant and don't know it yet.) 1. Why couldn't Tom be Custodian or keeper of the message as well as Joe or some of the other Bodies in Indiana, as if to say anyone has copyrights on Gods Word...... 2.Wonder who James was talkin to down there ? Capturedbygrace.............Question ? Why couldn't Moulder be the Custodian.......I think he has All or most of the Tapes of Bro Freeman; or could any good come out of Alabama (smile) Sorry James, dont mean to rub ya the wrong way now......you southern folks can be little touchy at times. Capturedbygrace:......Question ? What about you an others on this board ? Are we just dead meat or could all of us be part of that Remnant also ? If that be true: What ! are we a Remnant of ? Faith Assembly or Truth taught from The Word of God ?
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-06T02:05:56-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Good morning, all! Y'all said (getting into Southern mode : Capturedbygrace.............Question ? Why couldn't Moulder be the Custodian.......I think he has All or most of the Tapes of Bro Freeman; or could any good come out of Alabama (smile) Sorry James, dont mean to rub ya the wrong way now......you southern folks can be little touchy at times. Capturedbygrace:......Question ? What about you an others on this board ? Are we just dead meat or could all of us be part of that Remnant also ? If that be true: What ! are we a Remnant of ? Faith Assembly or Truth taught from The Word of God ? I love these questions - I won't answer the specific one about Alabama - I could be treading on dangerous territory--that would be dumb--and we know I'm not dumb...right?...I'm not hearing anything... William could be "custodian" in the way FA is meant to be a) by going back and identifying with her or b) if he'd been led to raise up another body with that specific focus--to demonstrate God is faithful in every detail of life. It sounds like he (and you all) try to demonstrate that now, but I understand he was not led at least to this point to start a body for that specific purpose with that specific call... you are in a church "out here" now, right William? For the record, I don't think any of us are dead meat. And I do believe all who believe and are doing their best to embrace the message God gave are a remnant, not of Faith Assembly, but of Truth taught from the Word of God. I think that viewing ourselves, as you rightly pointed out, as "a remnant of Faith Assembly" is part of that "elitist mentality chaff." For that matter, I also believe others that we don't know of yet will prove by their life and walk that they also are part of the remnant of the Word of God, and that is why I'm so very against idolizing FA. Making an idol of it twists the truth and tries to make it ineffective. If any of us (including me) is holding on to anything but Jesus, we are already in error. That …
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-06T13:32:37-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Okay, quickie--splitting Lake Michigan in half--has potential. Just think what you could do with that, Hombre! --You might say it could profit the prophet. I just wanted you to know I saw this, and hope some of today's comments (which I put out before I saw this) address at least some of these concerns, and some of what I'm definitely not saying as well as what I am saying.
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-06T13:46:12-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: My thoughts on "KEEPERS" of the Word, am I seeing some type of rivalry going on concerning who is the keeper of Gods message? Are not all who walk in what we recieved and share it with others, the keepers of the Word? Remember I said these are just my thoughts,and I'm not in Indiana,(and it's questionable if good really can come out of Ala.)<said in jest> but I sense maybe pride in who is REALLY keeping The Word as HEF taught it,and stayed or lives in Indiana, verses those who are scattered and can't really be Gods remnant due to their geographical location. Now I'd really like to be able to say that I've been a keeper of God's Word over the last 20+ yrs. but that would be somewhat untrue. I've spent quite a bit of that time trying to gain a balance and come to grips with where I stand with my Lord. At the same time I can say I haven't given up believing for God to raise up a army of believers who are equipted as we were starting to become, without the crap we got into through pride and legalism (not everone, just most)to set this groaning creation free, to actually see the Church of Jesus Christ DOING the works of God in a way the unbelieving world will be drawn to HIM, not Faith Assembly or Indiana or "ALABAMA" but JESUS. Custodians, Keepers, 3 pastors in Indiana, Tom Hamilton, William, Hombre??? How bout ALL who with diligence and pure hearts hold fast to THE WORD of GOD and LIVE IT???
creator: james
date: 2008-05-06T16:07:59-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: I like keepers, James, and to me any who are trying to live the things of which they've been convicted from hearing God speak through Faith Assembly whether by tape or being there qualifies. Not only that, but anyone working out their salvation who is walking it without ever hearing it even indirectly from those sources qualifies! The only reason I never speak of Tom Hamilton is because I haven't heard him for over 20 years! The same with any other minister or body--I only know of that one, and as the one where lots of us got lots of good things, I believe they are needing prayer help whether they know it or not. I don't ever mean to come across elitist--there should be no competition! For all I know there could be 100 bodies living it all over the country who have never even heard of FA and Hobart Freeman--and they could conceivably not have any battles with "chaff" to boot. But again, I can only speak of what I know--no one in or out or having heard from there or somewhere else or by revelation from God is a "second class citizen." There should be no rivalry--I am of Paul, I am of Apollos. That's not in the farthest corner of my mind! I guess what I get a sense of is God is calling warriors to battle. If any other body or individual you know of is being attacked by that chaff when trying to live the Word, they need to be included in the prayer too. Pride over keeping the Word is just as much of a snare as turning our backs on it, and God says He resists the proud. What I'm saying is that there is a call of God to help others being put to those body(ies) (FA, and any others you know--I truly am not exposed to others now) that proclaim the truth of the Word if they are in any way trying to keep it today. The only way that can happen is if the "chaff" of pride, elitism, yes competition, or whatever that would hinder them is prayed over by those who have been dealing with this stuff for years and at least have come to some sort of balance. Now I'd really like to be ab…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-06T17:09:19-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: My first post...this is scary.... I must say that my sensitivity to the spirit has been coming to lfe as I read these tremendous truths & observations from brothers & sisters I've likely never met - yet we have so much in common! My time with Faith Assembly was precious and I'm thankful. Yet I have sought a balance while still wanting to go deeper. I've noticed that some blessings just won't come until my heart is right with my husband, children, in-laws, co-workers - and believe me, I'm a work in progress! Capturedbygrace - you have touched my heart in a way I cannot describe. Without the elitism I've tried to shed, I think you are on to something! The bonds of the indviduals of the past, present, and future Faith Assembly may well yet become a force that must be reckoned with! All those years of sleepless nights, praying for one another, formed bonds in the spirit that I believe will last. Those prayer-ties may seem non-existent for now, but they are there and will be revealed in God's time by the spirit. I shall indeed pray for your healing & protection from the stroke symptoms that are trying to silence your voice. Yours is a voice, with a message, that surely God wants me to be hearing MORE of in these troubled times! Blessings! PR
creator: PR
date: 2008-05-07T01:34:12-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hombre don't be offended, I haven't left you out......I got just the thing, for the slashing & burning & parting the lake. Being that we are all in this togeather. Lets have a Seminar ! We need a name for it.......Ok, someone come up with a name or Topic for the Seminar. We'll need a centralized town for a meeting point & a building or a park or Fair Grounds. We could start the preaching at 9:00 am & go till 9:00 pm or till the Holy Spirit is done. Ok, here is my suggested line up of speakers.... 9:00 am Hombre...................................(the slashing an burning will get there eyes open-They will be awake) 10:00 am Michael the Disciple...............( Michael will touch there hearts with the purity & Holiness of Gods Word) 11:00 am Capturedbygrace...................(By this time the people will need a kind an gentle voice to heal there flesh) 12:01 pm Moulder...............................(He will capture there hearts with wisdom from on high) 1:00 pm Sageshrooner.......................(after Moulder, she will have her hands full, to pick up the pieces with wisdom & Love) 2:00 pm Mark 11:24..........................( the Word just keeps getting stronger) 3:00 pm JRS....................................( a man after Gods heart, full of the Holy Spirit) 4:00 pm James.................................( His desire is to draw all of us closer to God) 5:00 pm Hardbones............................(street smart an Has a unconditional love for others & Gods Word) 6:00 pm Whitearizona.........................(Defender of the Faith in Gods Word) 7:00 pm DBH.....................................(has an uncompromising Faith in Gods Word to heal an set free from all sickness) 8:00 pm Tomax7.................................(much wisdom from his continual walk in Jesus Christ an His Word) Intercession will continue thru out the Seminar, Gifts of The Holy Spirit should comeforth as the Spirit bids. Laying on of Hands for Healing will continue thru out the meeting as the Spirit w…
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-07T01:35:46-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Brother Ron, this sounds like a wonderful idea, count me in! It makes me smile to dream of getting together with these precious saints of God and worshipping our Lord. The all night paise and worship sounds great! And speaking of worship I just got Carl Seitz's CD's from Musicman and they are outstanding, I would highly recommend them. I know God has great things for us ahead, but I do miss some of the old days with the fellowship of the saints, the Word that was taught and of course, the heavenly worship and gifts of the Holy Spirit and all the testimonies that people glorified God with. But I know we don't need to settle for what we had, but to look ahead for what God has for us today and tomorrow and as long as the Lord tarries, because it is going to be/is wonderful. Thanks again Ron for the edifying lineup, it truly blessed my evening!
creator: sparkles
date: 2008-05-07T02:40:12-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Up date on the Seminar: Those not listed above, feel free to move as the Spirit leads to minister to others. All times and speakers are tenitive an subject to the Holy Spirit as He moves amoung us. No real names will be published so not take any Glory from the Lord Jesus Christ. First names and or Internet handles will be acceptable. This will be a Wonderful time in the Lord. Blessings to all in Jesus Name
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-07T12:03:20-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Thank you, dear sister, and from my little corner, welcome! I figured if anyone could stand with me it is those who've been doing their best to walk the message God has given us. It is a privilege to have your prayer. God bless your day, sis!
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-07T12:05:20-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Thank you, brother. You seem to have the lineup in good order, but judging from what I've already seen this morning we may need to add at least one more to the list... God is at work... It could happen. God bless your day, brother, and I appreciate you as well.
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-07T12:15:42-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Sounds like a wonderful idea to me as well. God bless your day, sis.
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-07T12:22:32-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Duncan should get the first slot... it has been a long time since we've had anyone worthy to critique! <grin> I can hardly wait! William
creator: william
date: 2008-05-07T13:45:30-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Quote: Hombre:...so should we roll over and play dead, or should we stand for righteousness by casting votes? Which begs the question: Who would you suggest voting for? Or to put it in the vernacular: WWJVF? <grin> Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-05-07T14:49:15-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: You clown... I was about to spend an inordinate amount of time in an attempt to convince you that prayer isn't a wasted exercise. Not to mention my efforts to obtain the coveted "A+" that would no doubt result from my unassailable logic concerning the differences between the world's kingdoms and the fifth Kingdom to come! Unless of course you would have allowed your prejudices against the kilt overwhelm your good judgment? Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-05-07T15:22:53-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: God's coffee cup...I like that (seriously)...you mean inside the heart of a person with a "slash and burn anointing" there can be the soul of a poet? My son has the "slash and burn anointing" - we've been talking about it since it came up here...while he's not got the soul of a poet (unique poetic imagery, I'll admit), he's a neat guy...
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-07T17:16:16-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Okay--you'll appreciate (maybe) what my "slash and burn" son did in Indiana's primary--he did a write-in vote for Mike Huckabee...I said, "But he isn't running." He said, "Well if enough people would write him in you bet he would... ." He doesn't quite think like FA taught me about voting--speaking of, that's an area I'm not entirely comfortable with...I vote only after I've prayed if the Lord tells me to...sounds different, but I wasn't a political science major, and I have very little understanding of all the ins and outs of politics--so I figure if God tells me who to vote for (won't be either of the two democrats this time...) it won't be a mistake. When Mr. Clinton was running first time, God said, "Go on record as opposed to him; it won't do any good, but do it anyway... ." That was the year I got some lessons in storms and clouds...inky black things riding across the sky...I sensed violence in them and asked God what I could do...He had me ride all around the small town I lived in at the time with warfare music (Integrity/Hosanna warfare sampler) wafting reasonably quietly out my windows, and said that what I was sensing was the demons riding to Washington (they've never left...). They wanted to break out in mischief on the way, and God said as I aligned with the worship on the tape I would be agreeing with their anointing and not be warring alone. I could pray protection over my town, but no rebuking--He was permitting this. --Now you know I'm even stranger than you suspected... I agree with your wife who said: ...' isn't it odd that in this time of increased information becoming available to us, and all of the alternate sources of information that we have to learn from, that it seems as though people are actually becoming more ignorant rather than more informed? '.... Yes...but people today don't scratch below the surface...takes too much effort...their favorite TV show is coming on... . Oh! (Note: this is poking fun at me, not your system.) I just noticed …
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-07T20:17:52-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Praise Jesus for His Faithfullness, The Now Report ! Just returned from the ER of our local hospital......a lady from our church was there, she had been in the ER six times in the last week. She had been having bad reactions to the medications they had put her on. She was crying, she couldn't breath she was shaking, she said it felt like her chest was caving in. The poor girl looked as if she was 20yrs older than she really was..She looked really bad. The ER was full an her & her husband were sitting in the main hall way by the nurses station on a bed. A Brother from church had called an asked if I would meet them at the ER......Yep, I'll be there..The two of us walked in, we spoke to our sister an she requested that we pray... We prayed for a few moments in the Spirit out loud, in the main hall way of the ER....Oh my ! I laid hands on her head....spoke a few words..........It was done ! She said she would be ok an we walked out.Her An her husband were still sitting on the bed. My brother an I walked to our cars an were talking , we looked back towards the ER entrance an Praise Jesus.....Here comes our sister, walking out of the ER, She is Smiling an breathing an has no pain an she is going home because God has healed her.
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-08T02:22:33-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Really neat testimony, brother. God is still working--and He wants to do it "out here" wherever!
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-08T12:08:08-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: 2Co 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. Psa 18:27 For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks. Psa 18:28 For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness. Psa 18:29 For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall. Psa 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him. Thanks for the uplifting testimony brother! Makes me want to leap over a wall this AM! Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-05-08T12:23:07-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: AMEN – Great testimony. Last night heard a testimony of healing of laryngitis from Sunday meeting. Lady could hardly speak; this had started on Friday evening. She went for prayer at the end of the meeting and within minutes her voice was cleared up. Praise God.
creator: JRS
date: 2008-05-08T12:42:52-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Yup! Hombre, you are one sensitive guy! You are offering all those who want to beat you up an opportunity to "get right with God" and to grow in character! How's that for sensitivity?? Maybe you would appreciate the viewpoint of my "slash and burn" son (the one who, when I told him I had tried all those years to "civilize" him said, "Mom, you compromised me! ) as evidenced from a quote from his blog: There are a lot of guys out there who have lost touch with what being a guy is all about. ...For instance, a guy can use a hair brush but he should never "brush" his hair. He can use the "brush" to comb his hair. ...One of my biggest pet peeves is hearing the word cute or pretty in reference to me or something I own! ...This vulgar use of words must not continue!! We must demand that "rugged" or "handsome" or even "ruggedly handsome" replace the obscene use of these other aforementioned words. ... Ah, well, I'll get on with things But look out, your "poetic soul" is showing again, and I quote you: ...and don't forks in the road also serve as tape measures of the soul? Yes they do. One time when God was delivering me out of a tough situation, every time I went to make a decision for a whole six months He said, "This is what so and so decided at this point--now what is your choice?" (The good news is that so and so is getting a wonderful new opportunity--and I pray the person make choices that "go with God" this time...)
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-08T13:11:24-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: All kidding aside, it took people with the slash and burn mentality with regard to the denom system to open my eyes...started with Br Freeman, then when I was "leveled" and God put me back in the system for a season it took others to get me to really look at the system. What can I say now, but that even though I've been sent into the system (and I'm no longer "hiding out there"), my instructions are to walk in visible demonstration of Jesus...no compromise! And now our body is "exploding from within... ." Truthfully, the system is deadly. It robs people of all that the Lord is all the while claiming to represent Him... .
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-08T14:39:10-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hey all! I don't want to give a wrong impression (though I don't think you took it that way, Hombre). In regards to my son's comment about my having compromised him while I was trying to civilize him, let me make it clear--I was only trying to teach my son wisdom in when to use "slash and burn" and when not to, (his slash and burn started early...) like: "Don't go (when you're 14) to the pastor and tell him all that's wrong with the church - he was right - unless the Lord says - if you aren't led to but just want to you are stepping out of the Lord's protection - He's showing you to teach you discernment and prayer... ." I did not even get or allow any of our guys to get a brush to "comb" their hair ...there were no purposeful feminizing tendencies...in fact, since I was a single mother much of the time, I really prayed for good masculine role models... I am very thankful they all are true men (not one of them reads "O"!!) who love God and respect and appreciate who God made them and women (one is married, while the other two are still unmarried, though they've prayed for the Lord's choice for wives or the grace to remain single). What you're saying about society/TV today is right...I can't even look at "Queer..." because the title bothers me so much. The first time I turned on "Will and Grace" it lasted only long enough to see the focus...okay, I confess I like HGTV (but I am a woman)...but there are also other anti-God things like (I didn't even try to watch one episode here) "Sex and the City," and what about "Friends"--not the kind I think of... . The TV execs are trying to "program" our nation through entertainment and they seem to be doing a pretty good job for the most part... .
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-08T17:12:32-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hombre wrote: ....sometimes, I think that one drug leads to another to another and so on. ...before one knows it, they have problems that are not even related to the original. My wife has a friend who is an absolute hypochondriac....and over time, her issues have multiplied, so much so that their lives now revolve around these issues completely. They no longer have lives. Sad thing is, she is a Christian, but obviously, their 'church' has neither ever taught nor even inferred that healing through faith in God is a possibility. The unbelief is rooted so deeply, that I don't know if they'll ever get free. ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- This is what we deal with on a weekly basis, our little group is not, an never will be part of the Denom...system..! But don't fooled : The system is STILL IN THEM ! and as you said: (.....this is the type of issue that creates and maintains my slash and burn mentality with reference to the denom church system). I say: Amen....... Amen...... Amen.......mine also ! capturedbygrace wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 09:39 ....Truthfully, the system is deadly. It robs people of all that the Lord is all the while claiming to represent Him... . Capturedbygrace, I also agree with you an Hombre on this 100 %: Hombre wrote: ....someday when I grow up, I'll initiate my own threads..... Hombre don't ever grow up ! I like ya just as you are ! Feel free to use my threads any time ya want ! JRS: Thanks for sharring the wonders of Gods faithfulness to His people !
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-09T01:19:28-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: AMEN and AMEN JW & Hombre The DENOM system – that permeated the whole Charismatic movement, and yes even FA and the body I was part of. You couldn’t have said it any better - But don't fooled : The system is STILL IN THEM ! I posed this question earlier - Is our concept of church itself correct???? Or because of our preconceived notions we hold onto, resulting in fostering the issues we are discussing??? Jae gave some responses and it is a good post – yet I cannot agree fully with it. #1821 There is only 1 TRUE church – Spirit Filled – The apostles were commanded to remain in Jerusalem until they received the promise from the Father. There is a reason Jesus himself commanded that and for others to explain away the Baptism, are they not denying the power of God in there lives. I praise God and have the utmost respect for HEF and others that took the truths that were revealed to them and had the burden to teach them. I cannot fault the individuals for the damage that was done and might still be happening. To use an expression, I do not believe they are able to see the forest for the trees. The Denom system had fulfilled what it has been successful doing from the time of the end of the NT church with the apostles. Thus the argument has stood – all signs and wonders stopped with the apostles. I pose this question again, not to begin a debate about it but to get a better understanding of how deception has entered in. All the posters here have insight and some very reveling thoughts. It seems as though God is working, and with all the time that has past, a number of us have chosen to examine and be truthful with our experiences. I believe we all have the same desire – to Please God and to be a vessel of honor for Him. There is a worldly axiom – The best teacher is the school of hard knocks. So true – has been and still is, even though we have all this access to information. So True Hombre in what your wife said - ....' isn't it odd that in this time of increased informati…
creator: JRS
date: 2008-05-09T21:32:44-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hombre wrote: Yeppers....that is really the problem isn't it? They may have borrowed a form of our ( charismatic ) worship, by donning guitars in favor of pipe organs, and changed the sign to read: Non-Denominational Full-Gospel Bible Study Worship Center, but the people still cling to the whole 'stand up/sit down' mentality. ....to be sort of well....cruel...it reminds me of a scripture: '.....having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof......' ....and that really isn't far from the truth, when they begin that whole round of NON-scriptural notions about God helping those who help themselves and that's why God heals through the doctors now....apparently, they believe that Luke was a 'form' or 'shadow' of 'those that were to come'....a sort of twist on the whole Messianic prophecy thing...... ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------- Yeppers...... that was a little cruel.......being some of them really do want to draw closer to God an do it His way. Yeppers...that could be said for some of us also......even us from FA ! Hombre Wrote: ....I wonder what would happen if they actually read the Bible they say they preach? ......you know, that verse that says something like this: '...and these signs SHALL follow those THAT BELIEVE:....IN MY NAME they SHALL: ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- Hombre, what signs are following you ? What is God doing in your life today ? Please share the wonders of His work in your life today !
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-10T10:33:08-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hombre wrote: Uh-oh.......the gun is aimed at me...... ....of course I could read this in 2 different ways. 1. A sarcastic challenge. 2. A legitimate request. First things first then. ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- Hombre, It was A LEGITIMATE request . Not a sarcastic challenge. I'll put the guns down for now. Thank you Brother
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-10T17:31:46-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: JWBTI wrote on Sat, 10 May 2008 05:33: ...being some of them really do want to draw closer to God and do it His way. Hombre wrote in reply: Yes, unfortunately for 'them', 'they' are being taught by people who purposefully or ignorantly distort/hide/omit obvious scriptural truths.... Time to throw my two cents in--I agree that some want to draw closer to God, but the system keeps them ignorant. My pastor is a second-generation Assembly of God pastor. All he's ever known is pastoring the system's way. The system kept him ignorant, and he just did what he learned, passing it on till God started revealing Himself... . He says the questions he's asking God (and his people) now are nothing he learned in seminary training. Now the heritage of Assembly of God is tongue-talking, believe God heals today, and a few more things. But I can know and do those things and still have no results (and if I'm not seeking God about it, isn't that another way of having the form but denying the power?). In fact, I think it is even more deceptive to know about it and, as Hombre I believe says somewhere make God like our experience. Or else, we can become prideful that we know and act, and say, "it must just not be time," or "I'm ready God when You are...," but not really seek to grow. Oh, there are just so many ways to get around God's claims on us as His people... . But the catch is I don't know anybody if they are utterly honest who hasn't been tempted with this (sitting down on God) in some form or other. So how do we avoid it? (The following ideas aren't necessarily in order...) #1- We fellowship with like-minded believers by being (for example) on this forum and using it the way it was intended. As Hombre said, The entire purpose of this forum is to allow us (former FAers') to begin to separate what IS Biblical truth from what was merely personal opinion and/or legalism, and to once again grow and stretch toward the high calling that we have. If we will involve ourselves with a right a…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-13T18:43:49-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Hi, Hombre! Thank you for noticing the time and effort I put into my comments. Anything worth doing... . You said: I can agree with it all, except for this part which is to me, about 50/50. I understand what you're saying about being gentle with believers (where would I be myself, if Jesus hadn't met me where He did?...and might I add..still does...) Okay, okay, friend! First, I very much appreciate your comment about being gentle with believers. I know you've been so with me. I have a question for you, though. (And I'm not particularly on your case--I know others who feel the same way, and from what I've seen so far it goes with the "slash and burn anointing," which I would otherwise think is apostolic for the most part.) How is this kind of response going to build good working relationships with others of us in the body of Christ who are not led to do it the way you are? Do you even honestly respect or appreciate our giftings? I wonder if you even think what we do could be of God since you say: however, I never find it convenient or righteous to sit and listen to any kind of error coming from any pulpit and sit there with a smile on my face, continuing on afterward for cookies and milk. First, in discussing this, I am not trying to change you into being like me (my guys tell me we don't need any more of me when I threaten to clone myself). - I'm not asking you to sit and listen to any kind of error...that's not your calling. For you, it would be compromise. (More about that below.) However, just because you can't do it, does that mean the rest of us who are working from within the structure are lukewarm, or fraternizing with the enemy, or compromising or... ?? I quote: ....perhaps...there are people like yourself, who are blessed in such a way (my comment: what makes me think you don't see it as a blessing, or perhaps as even a legitimate gifting?) as to be able to stomach such tasteless and oftentimes rancid gruel as I have heard coming from the mouths of 'well-m…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-14T16:45:47-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Part 2 of my reply - thought you were rid of me at least for a while, didn't you, heh, heh? Hombre, you say: I need to be fed things like FAITH and DEATH TO THE SELF LIFE in order to survive and continue growing, and I DON'T GET IT THERE. I am not the consummate apostle, who can weather any storm including the barrage of delusional/deceptive theology and come away not being affected by it. Nor can I come away unaffected by it, brother. I have had to learn to "dig wells in the desert" for myself and to do as David did-encourage himself in the Lord. Though I know we're not meant to stay in the desert indefinitely, I do believe we find out more what we think of God's Word when we are "out there" with seemingly no accountability. You say: Now, as to the 'why' behind why it affects me that way, I don't know...but I have a smidgeon of thought about that. 1. It could be from watching brothers and sisters wrestle unto death with the Word of God, having NOT received the promise of healing in their physical bodies (or healing for their children, or seeing the Word of God itself contribute to divorce when both parties don't walk the same walk, or...) yet believing nonetheless I understand that-but that is not all there is to it...there are the things we learn along the way...I would never, ever have volunteered for the trials I've been through, but every so often I get "out of the valley" long enough to see where I've been, where I'm headed, and what I'm learning along the way...I'm getting gold from them thar hills and valleys!! It's hard to remember in the midst of pain sometimes, but when I get a breather, I see just a glimpse of how worth it this walk is... . And I feel sorrow for those who don't know of it. You know once someone said to me, "I can't see any reason for God to have placed you where you are (in the body that's transforming before my very eyes--this was said before the transformation started manifesting) unless He sent you in as a missionary to the church...b…
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-14T20:17:21-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Psa 107:15 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! This past Sunday God showed forth His goodness. A brother shared, that the retina in his eye had seperated. He went to the doctor and was told he would need an operation to repair the eye but he would have to go to Indianapolis to have this done, so the doctor set everything up. This was a couple of weeks past. After he was told this, He asked that hands be laid on him for healing......So be it Last week he went to Indy for the surgery as he couldn't get out of the appointment, when the doctors checked his eye prior to the operation... they were amazed.....The eye was totally and wonderfully healed. Praise Jesus ! An elderly sister told how she had fallen an injured the rotator cup in her shoulder. She was informed to contact the specialist in Columbus, Ohio.... she needed immediate surgery.... Well.....What is she going to do ? She couldn't move or raise her arm ! Nope...she didn't call Columbus ! She asked that hands be laid on for healing: because She was fully persuaded that God was able to perform what He Had Promised. Rom 4:21....Amen Last week durning Bible study as they were Praising & Singing to the Lord an without a thought, both her arms went straight up in praise to the Lord.... no pain..... no limitations......fully persuaded....Healed ! Another brother testified that after having hands laid on him for an ear problem the pain left immediately. But the next day he started having tremendous pain in the other ear...He committed that to the Lord also. The following day the pain started to leave & he thought he better have it looked at.... The doctor said .......I got bad news for you & I got good news for you ! The Bad news...........The ear drum had broken ! The Good News is ....That it was totally healed ! His hearing is better now in both ears, then it has ever been in his whole life. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus fr…
creator: JWBTI
date: 2008-05-22T02:34:42-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Wonderful stories of God's faithfulness--what an encouragement! He's the same yesterday, today and forever. Thank you, brother...
creator: capturedbygrace
date: 2008-05-22T11:48:28-00:00

Re: Faith Assembly, then and now... an update
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description: Quote: I believe that William is quite successful at this time doing that, in that he has somehow been able to worm his way into the pulpit... Well, I wouldn't use the term "worm"... but I'm there at least once a week! <grin> I actually attend a rather large charismatic church where the pastor has recently resigned due to some (we think) sexual improprieties. I say "we think" only because the elders were outmaneuvered when they attempted to collaborate the charge and were unable to effectively discharge their biblical duties because they rushed in and signed (apparently) a nondisclosure agreement with the pastor in question. Duh! ... amazing what people do to be "in the know". Anyway, this left them in the ridiculous position of accepting a resignation without the ability to explain what transpired to the congregation. The biblical mandate to rebuke a sinning elder so others will fear, became impossible without the threat of legal action… which effectively meant that it was better for them to obey man rather than God. Not an enviable position, to say the least. Fortunately God is still in control. The stupid among us are in the process of resigning, presumably so that they will be in good standing with the predator once he completes his year sabbatical (complete with counseling) and embarks upon some new work. Yuck. Didn't mean to unburden myself so completely... I just wanted to say that the door that was opened to teach in the other church was not something I forced my way into... it is only once a week (Wednesday night) and so far I'm very encouraged about the receptivity of the people. Last week there were questions about tongues! Paradoxically the situation that happened in my own church would have been handled very differently in the other church... I'm pretty confident it would have been done biblically there! Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2008-06-02T18:01:56-00:00