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The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: When Jesus was manifested on earth He told His disciples who He was – the Son of God & that He would die as a sacrifice for sin, that He would rise again, go to the Father & send the Holy Spirit. These are truths of Christ for all to know. All scripture teaches us about Christ, from the promised seed, to the one that would appear as the Word made flesh. Every truth of Christ is written for us to learn of Christ. Now besides Jesus teaching Israel of Himself He also told them specific things concerning their nation – their future & their inheritance. Then again we read that when Jesus ascended to the right hand of the Father He revealed to the Apostle Paul the revelation of another group - the Body of Christ & told them, by His Holy Spirit specific things concerning them – their future & their inheritance. Thus it becomes quite clear, I believe, when we contrast the different details, to see – Israel`s inheritance & the Body of Christ`s inheritance. Let`s have a look at God`s word concerning this important topic. ISRAEL – Jesus is king over Israel. `…he who is born king of the Jews.`(Matt. 2: 2) BODY OF CHRIST – Jesus is Head of the Body.`…holding fast to the Head..(Christ)`(Col. 2: 19) ISRAEL – Israel will rule over the nations. `Lord will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?` (Acts 1: 6) BODY OF CHRIST – The B/C will rule in the third heaven. `To Him who overcomes, I will grant to sit with Me on My throne…` (Rev. 3: 21) ISRAEL – The 12 disciples will rule over the 12 tribes of Israel. `Peter …said …what shall we have? ….you…will …sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.` (Matt. 19: 28) BODY OF CHRIST – The B/C will be king priests in the third heaven. `(Christ) has made us kings & priests to His God & Father,…` (Rev. 1: 6) ISRAEL – They do not know the times & seasons. `(Jesus said) `It is not for you to know times or seasons….`(Acts 1: 7) BODY OF CHRIST – They do know the times & seasons. `But concerning the times & the seasons, brethren, you …
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-09-30T01:49:49-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Quote: When Jesus was manifested on earth He told His disciples who He was – the Son of God & that He would die as a sacrifice for sin, that He would rise again, go to the Father & send the Holy Spirit. These are truths of Christ for all to know. All scripture teaches us about Christ, from the promised seed, to the one that would appear as the Word made flesh. Every truth of Christ is written for us to learn of Christ. From this I take it that your starting premise is that the reconciliation of mankind to God was the ultimate goal revealed by God to us throughout Scripture? If so, then I believe that we are on the same page, at least on this crucial starting point. Quote: Now besides Jesus teaching Israel of Himself He also told them specific things concerning their nation – their future & their inheritance. Then again we read that when Jesus ascended to the right hand of the Father He revealed to the Apostle Paul the revelation of another group - the Body of Christ & told them, by His Holy Spirit specific things concerning them – their future & their inheritance. Here is perhaps a point that begins to show a possible divergence. You seem to be making a separation here between the two entities. Not that this is totally unjustified given the fact that Israel as a nation (beginning with an individual --Abraham) has always enjoyed a special place as the 'apple of God's eye, and seems to have a future that is specifically, even if not radically, different from the rest of mankind. I think the key point to keep in mind is not the separation aspect which tends to lead us away from the idea that Jesus came to make us all one with Himself but it is the shared inheritance based upon the first premise --the reconciliation between God and man --that forms the basis for our understanding of God's plan. Quote: Thus it becomes quite clear, I believe, when we contrast the different details, to see – Israel`s inheritance & the Body of Christ`s inheritance. Let`s have a look at God`…
creator: william
date: 2015-10-01T12:27:46-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Hi William, Thank you for taking the time for such a detailed reply. Just to clear up why I wrote this topic - it was in answer to Gary`s comment about Jesus` `one message.` I wanted to show that Jesus said more than His salvation message, He said some very specific things to Israel. I then contrasted these with what the Lord said to the Body of Christ after His ascension. Gary said - Quote: The thing we must realize is that when Jesus came to this earth, He came with only "one message". That is: that He was the Son of God, who came to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind. Through His ministry He showed by many signs that God was with Him and that what He was saying was true. Now I would like to make some comments on your notes. You thought that I believed that God` ultimate purpose was the reconciliation of mankind to Himself. No, this is only part of God`s purpose I believe. God tells us in His word – `...having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven & which are on earth – in Him,` (Eph. 1: 9 & 10) These `all things` are – `For by Him (Christ) all things were created that are in heaven & that are on earth, visible & invisible, whether thrones or dominions, or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him & for Him.` (Col. 1: 16) And we read of Christ`s pre-eminence over `all things.` `(God) seated Him (Christ) at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality & power & might & dominion, & every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.` (Eph. 1: 20 & 21) Thus I read that God`s ultimate purpose is for Christ to be pre-eminent over all things. Every realm will come under the Lordship of Christ & every rulership that is placed in those realms will be under Christ`s rulership. Each group that is reconciled…
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-10-02T05:20:27-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Marilyn, Quote: Marilyn wrote: Thank you for taking the time for such a detailed reply. Just to clear up why I wrote this topic - it was in answer to Gary`s comment about Jesus` `one message.` I wanted to show that Jesus said more than His salvation message, He said some very specific things to Israel. I then contrasted these with what the Lord said to the Body of Christ after His ascension. Gary said - Quote: The thing we must realize is that when Jesus came to this earth, He came with only "one message". That is: that He was the Son of God, who came to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind. Through His ministry He showed by many signs that God was with Him and that what He was saying was true. Marilyn surely your not setting over there thinking by my making that statement that I was meaning that Jesus never said anything else? Jesus came and ministered to the Jewish people the message of salvation and to give His life for many. Quote: Marilyn wrote: I wanted to show that Jesus said more than His salvation message, He said some very specific things to Israel. I then contrasted these with what the Lord said to the Body of Christ after His ascension. The whole Bible message is concerning the story of mans fall into sin and then God making a way for men to be delivered from their sin. In the final chapter, Jesus is the Lamb who is glorified before all for all eternity for what He did at the cross. We as gentile believers or the body of Christ are grafted into the vine. Salvation for mankind is the message that is what I was referring too. What the Lord said in the Gospels, He is saying to the body of Christ before His ascension. What you wrote is "not clear" at all. What specific scriptures are you referring too that Jesus is only speaking to Israel concerning the Kingdom, and not speaking to all believers which make up the body of Christ? Gary
creator: Gary
date: 2015-10-02T10:16:18-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Marilyn Crow wrote on Fri, 02 October 2015 00:20 Thus I read that God`s ultimate purpose is for Christ to be pre-eminent over all things. Every realm will come under the Lordship of Christ & every rulership that is placed in those realms will be under Christ`s rulership. Each group that is reconciled to God has a part to play, whether in the third heaven, the universal heavens or on the earth. When was there ever a time that Jesus wasn't preeminent over everything? The Creator has always been preeminent over the created. (I know that some say that robots will eventually take over the world, but trust me, it's not going to happen! <grin>) Salvation by God, reconciliation to God, and fellowship with God (all one concept) has always been the centerpiece of His revelation given to us. Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2015-10-02T12:07:51-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Hi Gary, I have written out the scriptures that are different. Sorry that I misunderstood you. I should have asked - Do you mean such & such. Marilyn.
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-10-02T21:06:57-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Hi William, It seems we differ there. I believe that reconciliation with God is just the means towards us having our glorious inheritance. And that the ascended, glorified, exalted Lord Jesus is the centre piece of God`s purpose as He says in Ephesians - `...having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven & which are on earth - in Him.` (Eph. 1: 9 & 10) BTW you said Quote: the novelty of this third-heaven-rulership escapes me. As I was taught that our eternal destination is with the Lord on His throne in the third heaven I was surprised that you thought it a `novelty.` What were you taught or what do you believe? Marilyn.
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-10-02T21:12:10-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Marilyn Crow wrote on Fri, 02 October 2015 16:12 Hi William, It seems we differ there. I believe that reconciliation with God is just the means towards us having our glorious inheritance. And that the ascended, glorified, exalted Lord Jesus is the centre piece of God`s purpose as He says in Ephesians - `...having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven & which are on earth - in Him.` (Eph. 1: 9 & 10) BTW you said Quote: the novelty of this third-heaven-rulership escapes me. As I was taught that our eternal destination is with the Lord on His throne in the third heaven I was surprised that you thought it a `novelty.` What were you taught or what do you believe? Marilyn. I guess I spent way too much time on the salvation/reconciliation issue... didn't I mention that it was the centerpiece of God's revelation? Blessings, William
creator: william
date: 2015-10-03T14:40:51-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Hi Marilyn, It almost sounds like your reading from two completely different Bibles here, one for Israel and one for Christians. In answer to your question the only difference between Israel and the Body of Christ is this: Israel rejected their Messiah and turned their back on the message of Jesus. They reject Him as being the Son of God. So we find the only way into heaven is to believe Jesus is the Son of God and repent of our sins. This is to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. The Body of Christ makes up a group of believers whether Jew or Gentile who follow and obey the teachings of Jesus. The nation of Israel has no salvation outside of Jesus who is the door to the Kingdom. Marilyn Crow wrote on Tue, 29 September 2015 21:49 When Jesus was manifested on earth He told His disciples who He was – the Son of God & that He would die as a sacrifice for sin, that He would rise again, go to the Father & send the Holy Spirit. These are truths of Christ for all to know. All scripture teaches us about Christ, from the promised seed, to the one that would appear as the Word made flesh. Every truth of Christ is written for us to learn of Christ. Now besides Jesus teaching Israel of Himself He also told them specific things concerning their nation – their future & their inheritance. Then again we read that when Jesus ascended to the right hand of the Father He revealed to the Apostle Paul the revelation of another group - the Body of Christ & told them, by His Holy Spirit specific things concerning them – their future & their inheritance. Thus it becomes quite clear, I believe, when we contrast the different details, to see – Israel`s inheritance & the Body of Christ`s inheritance. Let`s have a look at God`s word concerning this important topic. With the statements you made above I want to look at what you are saying here: Quote: ISRAEL – Jesus is king over Israel. `…he who is born king of the Jews.`(Matt. 2: 2) BODY OF CHRIST – Jesus is Head of the Body.`…holding fast to…
creator: Gary
date: 2015-10-04T15:38:57-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Hi Gary, So can you please tell me who are the nations on the earth that walk in the light of the New Jerusalem, `And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light,....` (Rev. 21: 24) & who is in the New Jerusalem, `Then I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband....Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, & He will dwell with them, & they shall be Hi people, & God Himself will be with them & be their God.` (Rev. 21: 2 & 3) & who is sitting on Christ`s throne in the third heaven, `far above all.....` `To him who overcomes, I will grant to sit with me on my throne...` (Rev. 3: 21) `far above all principality & power & might & dominion, & every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.` (Eph. 1: 20 & 21) Thank you, Marilyn.
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-10-04T21:27:03-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Not to answer for Gary or William, but my understanding of scripture is that the 'New Jerusalem' will be a literal city(THE City of God) manifest on earth where Jerusalem is now and God will be there as well Jesus and all believers, both Jew and Gentile.(yep, even those that never heard of Jesus and the Gospel <before> their deaths, such as Abraham, Noah, Jacob, David, Jeremiah...ect.) There won't be a temple inside as there was in the original city because God will be there, The Temple. (I am also aware that many believe that the New Jerusalem isn't a literal city made by God but rather symbolic of what The Body of Christ will become, I think one who taught this was Witness Lee, the Chinese preacher from the last century.) The third heaven final destination for Christians is, I'm assuming, what your uncle must have taught. I realize many groups have various ideas that they have 'taken from scripture' and I'm just in a different group than you. All I cam say for absolute certainty is that where ever Jesus and my Heavenly Father will be is where I will be....forever and ever, beholding the Glory and majesty of Him who loved me enough to die that I could live, breaking down the wall of separation that my sins had built, restoring me to fellowship with Him. I may not be the most theologically correct 'tool in the shed', but praise God, I'm in the shed! <where ever the shed is located> Marilyn, reread the final few chapters of Revelation, do you think God rebuilds the new heavens and earth and establishes the New Jerusalem for some people and has another group in some third heaven....what does He do, split His time visiting between us? When Satan has been defeated and tossed in the pit of Hell for eternity, when the 1,000 years of the millennial reign is complete, who will be those whom He will be Lord of Lords and King of Kings? Jews? OT Jews? NT Christians who aren't Jewish? Isn't a Jewish person whose comes to faith in Christ today part of The Body of Christ? Will th…
creator: james
date: 2015-10-04T23:00:10-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Hi james, I always think it is such a privilege to discuss God`s word & share together, as the Holy Spirit continues to lead us all into the fullness of truth. Concerning the New Jerusalem, had you ever thought that for the nations to walk in its light, that it would have to be away from the earth so that day & night would come over the earth as it continues to revolve. All the nations would walk by its light, but in the New Jerusalem we are told there is no night. Wonderful details by the Lord to us. `And the Nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, & the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there.) (Rev. 21: 24 & 25) Also, we know that God is omnipresent, & thus is everywhere through out His great kingdom, from the third heaven, through out the universe & on the earth. Remembering also that the earth is His footstool,& as such is not the seat of His glorious power. `Heaven is my throne, & earth is my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1) Marilyn.
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-10-05T06:42:59-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Marilyn Crow wrote on Sun, 04 October 2015 17:27 Hi Gary, So can you please tell me who are the nations on the earth that walk in the light of the New Jerusalem, `And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light,....` (Rev. 21: 24) & who is in the New Jerusalem, `Then I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband....Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, & He will dwell with them, & they shall be Hi people, & God Himself will be with them & be their God.` (Rev. 21: 2 & 3) & who is sitting on Christ`s throne in the third heaven, `far above all.....` `To him who overcomes, I will grant to sit with me on my throne...` (Rev. 3: 21) `far above all principality & power & might & dominion, & every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.` (Eph. 1: 20 & 21) Thank you, Marilyn. Hi Marilyn, Yes I will answer this question. You asked: Quote: So can you please tell me who are the nations on the earth that walk in the light of the New Jerusalem, `And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light,....` It should be very obvious, I highlighted the answer, "those who are "saved" shall walk in the light". Marilyn wrote: Quote: Hi James, I always think it is such a privilege to discuss God`s word & share together, as the Holy Spirit continues to lead us all into the fullness of truth. It's a great blessing to discuss God's Word as you say. I think its very interesting that God has given us very small glimpses in future events. But to be quite honest with you I have my hands full just working out my salvation each day. But when it comes to being overly concerned with what is going to happen 1000+ years from now I just leave that in the Lords hands. In the final analysis looking so far in the future should never be a major concern for Christians because there is always the possibility of God doing something different then what we think He is goin…
creator: Gary
date: 2015-10-05T08:24:40-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Marilyn Crow wrote on Mon, 05 October 2015 01:42 Hi james, I always think it is such a privilege to discuss God`s word & share together, as the Holy Spirit continues to lead us all into the fullness of truth. Yes, it is a privilege to freely discuss God's Word...and seek to rightly divide/understand it Concerning the New Jerusalem, had you ever thought that for the nations to walk in its light, that it would have to be away from the earth so that day & night would come over the earth as it continues to revolve. All the nations would walk by its light, but in the New Jerusalem we are told there is no night. Wonderful details by the Lord to us. Speaking of details given by God, the verse before the one you quote below gives pretty clear understanding as to the light and it's origin. Revelation 21:23 `And the Nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, & the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there.) (Rev. 21: 24 & 25) Also, we know that God is omnipresent, & thus is everywhere through out His great kingdom, from the third heaven, through out the universe & on the earth. Remembering also that the earth is His footstool,& as such is not the seat of His glorious power. `Heaven is my throne, & earth is my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1) Marilyn. I suppose we could go back and forth on different views of scripture until Jesus returns, but (and I don't want to sound religious/super spiritual) as my daily reading had me in Psalms 90:12 today one verse said to teach me to number my days so I might apply my heart to wisdom; I'm not too confident that we'll come to a meeting of the minds on some of these subjects and it might be better to just wait and see what The Lord has for us and where it is...like I said earlier, as long as I'm with Him I don't care where it is...In His perfect wisdom I know and am confident that it will be beyond anything we know or understand now.
creator: james
date: 2015-10-05T13:37:57-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Hi Gary & James, God could have just given us John 3: 16 & then all discussion of His other purposes would have been veiled. However God has written His heart, what His motive is & what He has planned in relation to His precious Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes as people we can go on & on & on endlessly about unimportant details, yet God has said in His word, `Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.` (2 Tim. 2: 15) If you do not wish to respond, then that is fine with me, for people are reading & they can make their own minds. So please don`t feel you have to chat or discuss if that is not your desire. Blessings, Marilyn.
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-10-05T21:21:52-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: To those who are interested, God has made three groups & told us to be respectful of them. `Give no offence, either to the Jews (Israel) or the Gentiles (nations) or to the Ekklesia (the Body of Christ). ` (1 Cor. 10: 32) God didn`t have to make these groups, but in His purpose to have all realms come under the Lordship of the Lord Jesus Christ, He has made specific groups with specific callings. The Nations. These are people through out history, who have never heard of Jesus, but have lived according to their conscience. They will be judged at the end of time by their works. ` And the dead were judged according to their works by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 12) These are the nations that are on the new earth. ` And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light.` (Rev. 21: 24) Israel Those who come through the millennium will rule over the nations on the earth. While those who believed in faith for the city to come will populate the New Jerusalem. The Body of Christ. This group is most blessed, but not for anything they have done. They have been promised to be like Christ, in character & in glorified body. This body can go through dimensions & is made for the higher heavens. They will rule & reign with Christ from that glorious realm & be involved in all of God`s creative acts in the eternal ages. `Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.` (1 Cor. 2: 9) I personally believe it is of the utmost importance as to what we believe. it is not like in Aussie lingo `She`ll be right mate.` For God has written His purposes in His word in relation to our precious Lord & it is for us to read, discuss, & be - ` diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. `(1 Tim. 2: 15) Thus I believe it is for each one of us to work with each other in this process. Marilyn.
creator: Marilyn Crow
date: 2015-10-06T07:03:54-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Marilyn Crow wrote on Tue, 06 October 2015 02:03 To those who are interested, God has made three groups & told us to be respectful of them. `Give no offence, either to the Jews (Israel) or the Gentiles (nations) or to the Ekklesia (the Body of Christ). ` (1 Cor. 10: 32) God didn`t have to make these groups, but in His purpose to have all realms come under the Lordship of the Lord Jesus Christ, He has made specific groups with specific callings. You need to read the context of 1 Cor. 10:32. The context shows that while there are indeed three groups that have radically different religious practices we (the redeemed) ought not to give any of them reason to take offence. Why? "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." 1 Cor 10:17 Our wonderful liberty in Christ can at times offend the Jews, it can offend the conscience of the Gentiles because of their ignorance (we shouldn't eat their sacrificed meat when they make it clear that they are confused about the nature of idols) and we shouldn't offend weak brethren in the Body of Christ whose conscience isn't yet enlightened. Paul finishes up the chapter by saying: "[1Co 10:32-33 KJV] 32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 33 Even as I please all [men] in all [things], not seeking mine own profit, but the [profit] of many, that they may be saved. How is it that you want to take that verse out of context and try to say that God "MADE" these three groups? If He did "make" these groups He certainly spends a lot of time (in fact the whole of Scripture) showing that His purpose (which is encapsulated in John 3:16) was the reconciliation of fallen man to Himself. So yeah, I'll gladly spend the rest of my life on John 3:16 knowing that His eternal purpose, revealed in that verse, is supported by literally the rest of His revelation. [Rom 10:11-12 KJV] 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 Fo…
creator: william
date: 2015-10-07T11:13:26-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: william wrote on Wed, 07 October 2015 07:13 Marilyn Crow wrote on Tue, 06 October 2015 02:03 To those who are interested, God has made three groups & told us to be respectful of them. `Give no offence, either to the Jews (Israel) or the Gentiles (nations) or to the Ekklesia (the Body of Christ). ` (1 Cor. 10: 32) God didn`t have to make these groups, but in His purpose to have all realms come under the Lordship of the Lord Jesus Christ, He has made specific groups with specific callings. You need to read the context of 1 Cor. 10:32. The context shows that while there are indeed three groups that have radically different religious practices we (the redeemed) ought not to give any of them reason to take offence. Why? "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." 1 Cor 10:17 Our wonderful liberty in Christ can at times offend the Jews, it can offend the conscience of the Gentiles because of their ignorance (we shouldn't eat their sacrificed meat when they make it clear that they are confused about the nature of idols) and we shouldn't offend weak brethren in the Body of Christ whose conscience isn't yet enlightened. Paul finishes up the chapter by saying: "[1Co 10:32-33 KJV] 32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 33 Even as I please all [men] in all [things], not seeking mine own profit, but the [profit] of many, that they may be saved. How is it that you want to take that verse out of context and try to say that God "MADE" these three groups? If He did "make" these groups He certainly spends a lot of time (in fact the whole of Scripture) showing that His purpose (which is encapsulated in John 3:16) was the reconciliation of fallen man to Himself. So yeah, I'll gladly spend the rest of my life on John 3:16 knowing that His eternal purpose, revealed in that verse, is supported by literally the rest of His revelation. [Rom 10:11-12 KJV] 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever …
creator: Gary
date: 2015-10-23T09:55:44-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: As I reread this thread today I realize the key to understanding where Marilyn is coming from is found in this quote... "As I was taught that our eternal destination is with the Lord on His throne in the third heaven I was surprised that you thought it a 'novelty." She was taught this and more than likely she'll hold to it until the end. She seems a bit offended if we don't go along with what she believes and stops posting for a period of time...but truth be told(and we're supposed to be of that group that does tell the truth) most of us have acted in the same manner one time or another. Speaking from experience I never could understand how others couldn't (or wouldn't) receive the teachings of Hobart Freeman no matter how many cassette tapes and books I gave them. Divine healing? Turn the other cheek? Separation from the world and it's ways? Live by faith? Forget about it, I was under the influence of a bunch of nut jobs and had gone off the deep end. So I understand and will just accept her as is and respect her convictions.(though not always agreeing with her.) So Marilyn, don't be offended if others don't 'see' things as you've been taught...because... you don't 'see' things as we've been taught and it doesn't offend us.
creator: james
date: 2015-10-30T19:30:28-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Quote: title=james wrote on Fri, 30 October 2015 15:30]As I reread this thread today I realize the key to understanding where Marilyn is coming from is found in this quote... "As I was taught that our eternal destination is with the Lord on His throne in the third heaven I was surprised that you thought it a 'novelty." She was taught this and more than likely she'll hold to it until the end. She seems a bit offended if we don't go along with what she believes and stops posting for a period of time...but truth be told(and we're supposed to be of that group that does tell the truth) most of us have acted in the same manner one time or another. [\quote] For one thing we don't really know where Marilyn is coming from so we don't know exactly what she believes. I mean you can read posts on other web sites and get a clue. But if anybody cannot show from scripture with out pulling it out of context what they believe then everybody should be able to admit their wrong or they were at least taught wrong. Quote: Speaking from experience I never could understand how others couldn't (or wouldn't) receive the teachings of Hobart Freeman no matter how many cassette tapes and books I gave them. Has anything changed for you?, When you tell people what Jesus Christ says concerning salvation do they willingly accept what you believe no matter how many tracts you can give them. Probably Not! Quote: Divine healing? Turn the other cheek? Separation from the world and it's ways? Live by faith? Forget about it, I was under the influence of a bunch of nut jobs and had gone off the deep end. So I understand and will just accept her as is and respect her convictions.(though not always agreeing with her.) This sounds out of character for you James, calling people names. Whether you believe what they taught or not, their still the children of the living God and will go to Heaven. Jesus shed His Blood for all these men and women that you think are "nut jobs". The problem is, if this experience s…
creator: Gary
date: 2015-11-12T11:34:28-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: Gary, Gary, Gary... Please have a cup of coffee before responding and ask The Holy Spirit for an understanding heart to think the best about your brothers and sisters. Every thing I was saying was an example of what others thought of me/us back in those days....if I presented scripture concerning walking by faith, or trusting God totally, or turn the other cheek, it was 'thought' that I was under the influence of a teacher who was a 'nut job' and their response was as I've heard somewhere, "forget about it"...not that I'm forgetting about God's Word.....should I have to explain stuff this simple, no.....wake up. Love you brother
creator: james
date: 2015-11-12T13:25:41-00:00

Re: The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
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description: james wrote on Thu, 12 November 2015 08:25 Gary, Gary, Gary... Please have a cup of coffee before responding and ask The Holy Spirit for an understanding heart to think the best about your brothers and sisters. Every thing I was saying was an example of what others thought of me/us back in those days....if I presented scripture concerning walking by faith, or trusting God totally, or turn the other cheek, it was 'thought' that I was under the influence of a teacher who was a 'nut job' and their response was as I've heard somewhere, "forget about it"...not that I'm forgetting about God's Word.....should I have to explain stuff this simple, no.....wake up. Love you brother Quote: But if anybody cannot show from scripture with out pulling it out of context what they believe then everybody should be able to admit their wrong or they were at least taught wrong. Guilty! Quote: Please have a cup of coffee before responding Double Guilty! Quote: .should I have to explain stuff this simple, With me possibly! Quote: it was 'thought' that I was Now I understand! But still guilty as charged! Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. Anyway I'm going to get a cup of coffee and maybe eat some crow for breakfast. Gary
creator: Gary
date: 2015-11-13T10:09:04-00:00